Re: what is up with the PG mailing lists?

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> No. All those cases are reasons for acceptable delays. But how often
>> does say network connectivity go away for an hour? If they do, you need
>> to better hosting provider.
>
> You really don't have a clue on how an SMTP server works, do you? If delivery

Well, it's been a couple of years since I last wrote a code patch for a
SMTP server, but yeah, I have a fair clue on how it works. And I do run
servers that deliver some 100,000 mails a day. I know, it's not much,
but I know enough to keep those working, and I've never seen internal
delays like what we're seeing here.

> fails, it backs up and tries again *later* ... if there is a high volume of
> email going through said server, *later* could very well be 1 hour ... and, in
> fact, its an incremental backup, so it actually works out to be something like:
>
> Try now, fail, try in 5 minutes, fail, try in 10 minutes, fail, try in 20
> minutes, fail, etc ... I'm not sure if its a simple '2x' algorithm, but the
> delay between attempts does get progressively greater, so if it fails after
> trying at '40 minutes', then it will be another hour and a half after *that*
> beofre it will try again, etc ...

That's an implementation detail, that differs wildly between different
SMTP servers. But you already know that of course. Postfix,
specifically, implements a '2x' algorithm. There's also a minimum
backoff time (configurable in new versions, previously fixed at 1000
seconds) and a maximum backoff time (configurable).

The main question remains. As Tom posted again in this thread, the delay
happens *internally between hub.org machines*. By your reasoning, that
means it's getting multiple failures to move mail internally. To me,
that's a clear indication that something is wrong. I'm sorry to hear you
don't agree.

>> A couple of minutes delay is perfectly acceptable. A couple of hours is
>> an indication that something is wrong.
>
> Well, when you see a couple of hours delay, then do something *useful* and let
> me know ... the only *useful* reports I've had in the past 24 hours dealt with
> a problem that Tom reported yesterday and that I fixed within minutes of him
> reporting ... the headers that you and Bruce sent me were *from that problem*
> ...

I have given up. I used to send these, but nothing is fixed. Maybe I
should set up a procmail script to capture them...

Oh, and the headers I sent were because the email was stuck in the
moderation queue.

//Magnus