Re: Pgday italy

Hi there,

Yesterday back from holidays and still catching up with emails, so, probably
this feedback is too late, but anyway... |Great proposal Lætitia. I have only
one small change that can make a difference in the appreciation:

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 07.04.19 12:23:
[...]
>> /Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the
>> conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using
>> work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Is the world "Man" the one who needs to be avoided? or do we need to avoid "Man
as a synonym for work"?

I believe is the second case, so, to prevent confusion, move the ':'

"Man" as a synonym for work: as in "man hours,"... etc....

Also, I would keep the explanation up to "Try using work instead", as the more
inclusive alternatives don't really work: "people hours", "folk the inbox"...

By the way, never heard about "man the inbox" or "man the conference booth"...
is that really referring to men, or to management?

That's it from my part. Thanks again Lætitia.

Cheers
Boriss

>>
>> Mr and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past,
>> women were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were married.
>> Now, ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is not important
>> to know whether a woman is married or not. /
>> /
>> /
>> /They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is now
>> commonly accepted. /
>>
>> Do you have other ideas ?
>>
>> I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Lætitia
>>
>> Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com
>> <mailto:laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com>> a écrit :
>>
>> Hello Postgres Women,
>>
>> I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy
>> flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay
>> Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe
>> only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).
>>
>> So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a
>> rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm
>> (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side
>> the what you can do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on
>> the other, what do you think ?
>>
>> For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.
>>
>> For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed
>> (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>>
>> Lætitia
>>
>> Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl
>> <mailto:bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl>> a écrit :
>>
>> gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
>> > Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the
>> booth duty (and her
>> > travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket
>> to her.
>> >
>> > I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter.
>> Has she
>> > contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss
>> at the booth?
>>
>> Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have
>> been thinking
>> about ideas for the flyers and I have two:
>>
>> 1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic
>> PgDay, there
>> could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman"
>> AND "if you
>> are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.
>>
>> 2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really
>> useful. For
>> instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender
>> neutral. My
>> female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and
>> women. In
>> doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could
>> say "hello
>> guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the
>> beginning of the
>> century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary
>> because of
>> ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words
>> to avoid and
>> words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough
>> with sentences
>> like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct
>> alternative that
>> is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but
>> also to
>> propose solutions.
>>
>> That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Boriss
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Gülçin
>> >
>> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot
>> <laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com <mailto:laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com>
>> > <mailto:laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com
>> <mailto:laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>> >
>> >     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım
>> <yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com>
>> >     <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com
>> <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com>>> a écrit :
>> >
>> >         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the
>> conference gave us 5
>> >         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the
>> perfect candidate
>> >         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3
>> If you are
>> >         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover
>> your train trip.
>> >         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>> >
>> >         Cheers,
>> >         Gülçin
>> >
>> >         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria
>> <ilaria(dot)battiston(at)gmail(dot)com <mailto:ilaria(dot)battiston(at)gmail(dot)com>
>> >         <mailto:ilaria(dot)battiston(at)gmail(dot)com
>> <mailto:ilaria(dot)battiston(at)gmail(dot)com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >             Good morning,
>> >
>> >             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be
>> at the booth, I
>> >             can speak both Italian and English so that would be
>> a plus.
>> >
>> >             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to
>> Bologna and
>> >             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I
>> should be able
>> >             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t
>> give you 100%
>> >             availability yet).
>> >
>> >             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket
>> would be more
>> >             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure
>> how it works.
>> >
>> >             Let me know,
>> >             Ilaria
>> >
>> >             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>> >             <yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com
>> <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com>
>> <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com
>> <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com>>>:
>> >
>> >>             Hi,
>> >>
>> >>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask
>> those ladies to
>> >>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our
>> requirement for
>> >>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they
>> should perform
>> >>             there, should not be anything hard even at the
>> entry level.
>> >>
>> >>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would
>> vote for not to
>> >>             open the booth at first place.
>> >>
>> >>             Cheers,
>> >>             Gülçin
>> >>
>> >>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias
>> <bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl <mailto:bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl>
>> >>             <mailto:bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl
>> <mailto:bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>                 Great news Lætitia,
>> >>
>> >>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th
>> of May.
>> >>
>> >>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>> >>
>> >>                 Cheers
>> >>                 Boriss
>> >>
>> >>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>> >>                 > Hi all,
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5
>> free tickets.
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in
>> Bologna.
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free
>> tickets,  so if
>> >>                 you or a woman you
>> >>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and
>> I'll make sure
>> >>                 you'll have one.
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be
>> there. I have a
>> >>                 friend that could
>> >>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm
>> concerned that a
>> >>                 postgres women booth with
>> >>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is
>> any woman
>> >>                 there available for that
>> >>                 > event?
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have
>> in the postgres
>> >>                 women booth? Do we
>> >>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to
>> print some flyers?
>> >>                 Do we want to
>> >>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it
>> would mean for us
>> >>                 to manage money)? Do
>> >>                 > we want to print and give away a list of
>> postgres women
>> >>                 public speakers? (please
>> >>                 > add your ideas here)
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > Cheers,
>> >>                 >
>> >>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>> >>
>>
>>
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