Re: Pgday italy

Thank you all for your answers...

Finally, I choose a A6 format for the flyers, it was easier to fill that
way.

You'll find enclosed the flyers and business cards.* I need you to send
your comments by Wednesday* where I'll need to send everything to the
printer. The stickers will simply have Postgres Women logo.

Have a nice day!

Lætitia

Le sam. 6 avr. 2019 à 18:58, Dian Fay <dian(dot)m(dot)fay(at)gmail(dot)com> a écrit :

> Some items on side 1 are the same. The only one I have major qualms about
> is 4/5 ("Help with Postgres Women organization") since it's both sort of
> implicit and extremely vague; it really needs a more concrete call to
> action. Here's a reorganization with some editorial tweaks, see how you
> like it:
>
> *What you can do to help:*
>
>
>
> *1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community. 2. Speak up if
> you observe gender (or other) bias, and report Code of Conduct violations.
> 3. Promote and support the Postgres Women organization.*
>
>
> *If you're a woman: *
>
>
>
> *4. Show up! Attend conferences and social events, and participate in the
> PostgreSQL community. 5. Speak at conferences and encourage other women
> doing the same. *
>
> *If you're a man:*
>
>
>
> *6. Make women feel welcome in the community. 7. Be open with other men
> about your commitment to making the community more inclusive, and invite
> them to join you. *
>
> On side 2, one suggestion and a bunch of nitpicks (can you tell I
> moonlight as an editor?):
>
> * lead off the "guys"-alternatives with "everyone".
> * after "Girl/Girls", quote "woman" and "women".
> * "Ladies/gals" should be "Ladies/Gals" and "Try women instead" should
> quote "women".
> * "Try using work instead" should quote "work".
> * "Mr and Mrs" should be "Mr. and Mrs." and use double quotes instead of
> single quotes.
> * "They" should be "He/Him (generic)" or perhaps "Defaulting to gendered
> pronouns" to follow the established "exclusive language: details and
> alternatives" pattern.
>
> Thanks for putting in all the work on this, Lætitia!
>
> Dian
> On 4/6/19 9:45 AM, Lætitia Avrot wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry to bother you, but I really could do with some help with the
> flyer content (I can put that in form).
>
> For now here's what I have:
>
> *What you can do to help if you're a man:*
>
> 1.
> *Be open with other men about your commitment to make the community more
> inclusive and invite them to join. *
> 2.
> *Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community. *
> 3. *Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.*
> 4. *Help with Postgres Women organization.*
> 5. *Make women feel welcome in the community.*
>
> *What you can do if you're a woman:*
>
> 1. *Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.*
> 2. *Attend to conf talk events and to social events afterwards.*
> 3. *Speak to conf talk events and encourage other women to do so.*
> 4. *Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.*
> 5. *Help with Postgres Women organization.*
>
>
> And for the other side (inclusive vocabulary):
>
> *Bossy: This term has been skewed to be a negative term to describe a
> woman that is direct and communicates expectations.*
>
> *Guys: Using “guys” to address all people is gendered languages that may
> insinuate that men are the preferred gender at your organization. Instead,
> use gender-neutral language such as; folks, people, you all, y’all, and
> teammates.*
>
> *Girl/Girls: For anyone over 18 years old, woman or women is a better
> choice.*
>
>
> *Females: To many English speakers, “females” sounds like a scientific
> designation one would use for animals or plants. Try “women” instead. *
>
>
> *Housekeeping: In reference to office work, this language can feel
> gendered. Suggested alternative: maintenance, cleanup *
>
>
> *Ladies/gals: Terms like “ladies”, “gals” or others can feel patronizing
> to some. Try women instead, or “folks” or “people” for mixed-gender groups.
> *
>
>
>
> *Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the
> conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using
> work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates Mr
> and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past, women
> were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were married. Now,
> ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is not important to
> know whether a woman is married or not. *
>
> *They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is now
> commonly accepted. *
>
> Do you have other ideas ?
>
> I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia
>
> Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Hello Postgres Women,
>>
>> I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy flyers,
>> stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay Italy) and they
>> say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe only (because PostgreSQL
>> Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).
>>
>> So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a rate
>> for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm (that's half
>> a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side the what you can
>> do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on the other, what do you
>> think ?
>>
>> For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.
>>
>> For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed
>> (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>>
>> Lætitia
>>
>> Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
>>> > Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty
>>> (and her
>>> > travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
>>> >
>>> > I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has
>>> she
>>> > contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the
>>> booth?
>>>
>>> Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been
>>> thinking
>>> about ideas for the flyers and I have two:
>>>
>>> 1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic
>>> PgDay, there
>>> could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND
>>> "if you
>>> are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.
>>>
>>> 2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful.
>>> For
>>> instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral.
>>> My
>>> female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and
>>> women. In
>>> doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say
>>> "hello
>>> guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning
>>> of the
>>> century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because
>>> of
>>> ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to
>>> avoid and
>>> words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with
>>> sentences
>>> like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct
>>> alternative that
>>> is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also
>>> to
>>> propose solutions.
>>>
>>> That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Boriss
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Gülçin
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com
>>> > <mailto:laetitia(dot)avrot(at)gmail(dot)com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>>> >
>>> > Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <
>>> yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com
>>> > <mailto:yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com>> a écrit :
>>> >
>>> > As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference
>>> gave us 5
>>> > free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect
>>> candidate
>>> > for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If
>>> you are
>>> > worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your
>>> train trip.
>>> > Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Gülçin
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <
>>> ilaria(dot)battiston(at)gmail(dot)com
>>> > <mailto:ilaria(dot)battiston(at)gmail(dot)com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Good morning,
>>> >
>>> > I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the
>>> booth, I
>>> > can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
>>> >
>>> > I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna
>>> and
>>> > they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I
>>> should be able
>>> > to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give
>>> you 100%
>>> > availability yet).
>>> >
>>> > I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be
>>> more
>>> > expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how
>>> it works.
>>> >
>>> > Let me know,
>>> > Ilaria
>>> >
>>> > Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>>> > <yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com <mailto:
>>> yildirim(dot)gulcin88(at)gmail(dot)com>>:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those
>>> ladies to
>>> >> do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement
>>> for
>>> >> ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should
>>> perform
>>> >> there, should not be anything hard even at the entry
>>> level.
>>> >>
>>> >> If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for
>>> not to
>>> >> open the booth at first place.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Gülçin
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <
>>> bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl
>>> >> <mailto:bmejias(at)dcc(dot)uchile(dot)cl>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Great news Lætitia,
>>> >>
>>> >> Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >> Boriss
>>> >>
>>> >> Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>> >> > Hi all,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free
>>> tickets.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This event will take place the 19th of May in
>>> Bologna.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So, first, we need to give away the 5 free
>>> tickets, so if
>>> >> you or a woman you
>>> >> > know is interested, just reply to me and I'll make
>>> sure
>>> >> you'll have one.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Then, unfortunately, I won't be able to be there.
>>> I have a
>>> >> friend that could
>>> >> > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned
>>> that a
>>> >> postgres women booth with
>>> >> > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any
>>> woman
>>> >> there available for that
>>> >> > event?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Last but not least, what do we want to have in the
>>> postgres
>>> >> women booth? Do we
>>> >> > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print
>>> some flyers?
>>> >> Do we want to
>>> >> > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would
>>> mean for us
>>> >> to manage money)? Do
>>> >> > we want to print and give away a list of postgres
>>> women
>>> >> public speakers? (please
>>> >> > add your ideas here)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cheers,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Lætitia Avrot
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>
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