From: | Bill Moran <wmoran(at)potentialtech(dot)com> |
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To: | Geoff Winkless <pgsqladmin(at)geoff(dot)dj> |
Cc: | Gavin Flower <GavinFlower(at)archidevsys(dot)co(dot)nz>, Albe Laurenz <laurenz(dot)albe(at)wien(dot)gv(dot)at>, "Peter Geoghegan *EXTERN*" <pg(at)heroku(dot)com>, Erik Rijkers <er(at)xs4all(dot)nl>, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, pgsql-committers <pgsql-committers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, "pgsql-committers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-committers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: [HACKERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation |
Date: | 2015-09-22 11:00:32 |
Message-ID: | 20150922070032.1689bf3ec0cefaec4aa3f509@potentialtech.com |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:17:54 +0100
Geoff Winkless <pgsqladmin(at)geoff(dot)dj> wrote:
> On 22 September 2015 at 10:52, Gavin Flower <GavinFlower(at)archidevsys(dot)co(dot)nz>
> wrote:
>
> > On 22/09/15 21:33, Geoff Winkless wrote:
> >> ??
> >> Without wanting to get into a grammar war, ?I'm not so sure I agree that
> >> it "condones" it. Dictionaries reflect the current state of usage, they
> >> don't act as arbiters of correctness. The abuse of "literally" as an
> >> emphasiser (which usage is now listed in the OED) is a prime example.
> >>
> >> I would prefer "his or her" over "their". Perhaps our American cousins
> >> might disagree though.
> >>
> >> I prefer "their" rather than "his or her", it is less clumsy & there is
> > no point in specifying gender unless it is relevant!
>
> I agree in that I prefer "their" in informal speech; however in a formal
> document I would find it sloppy.? I don't think "his or her" is inherently
> clumsy; m
> aybe I'm just showing my age.?
>
> Besides, some people are neither, or their biological gender is ambiguous -
> > so a few people fit into neither the male nor the female category
> > (depending on precise definitions, about 0.5%)!
>
> My understanding is that most intersex (and certainly all trans) people
> would identify with one or the other, and even those who don't select
> exclusively identify with a mix of both (and would therefore still be
> covered by "his or her", no?) although I don't pretend to be an expert.
>
> Perhaps it would be easier to avoid the controversy by actually rewording
> into the plural, where possible?
>
> So
>
> "any user can make such a change for his session."
>
> becomes
>
> "Users can make such a change for their individual sessions"
>
> or similar?
+1
As an American/native English speaker, I find the use of the plural pronoun
in combination with a singular noun (which is not grammatically correct)
in formal writing to be sloppy and jarring to read. The change you suggest
above reads more professionally while still avoiding offending anyone.
--
Bill Moran
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