Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way imaginable...

I agree with Brendan: no matter how rude a mail to the list could be, yo
cannot answer the same mood.

But my main concern is the unsuscribe mechanism: it does not work; I
tried it some days ago, and the mails continue arriving.

Marcelo

On 23/06/17 16:40, Brendan Neff wrote:
> I was letting this stuff go as best as I could, but this is some
> serious nonsense going on right here. And the response by Paragon and
> devs or whatever they are is horrible. If a fool is rude to you, you
> don't, as the face of a company, respond in a rude way. You shouldn't
> have access to public facing communications if that's how you're going
> to respond.
>
> As for the unsubscribe stuff, it doesn't work. I'm reporting spam and
> blocking senders, and will report every other email I get from the
> group as spam as well. Don't like that? Fix it on your end.
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:32 PM Alex Ignatov <a(dot)ignatov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru
> <mailto:a(dot)ignatov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru>> wrote:
>
> What PgAdmin is and why everybody is unsubscribing?
>
> Alexey Ignatov
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:19 PM +0300, "Russell Mercer"
> <rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com <mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com>> wrote:
>
> Melvin,
>
> PgAdmin 4 has more in depth support for foreign data tables
> and materialized views than does PgAdmin III. There are
> separate sections for them which makes sense as they are a
> different construct than a standard view or table. These are
> the primary items I was referring to.
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 2017-06-23 11:54, Melvin Davidson wrote:
>
>> *Russell,*
>> *>I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports features in the
>> new versions of Postgres that *
>> *> version 3 simply doesn't.*
>> **
>> *Just curious. What features does PgAdmin 4 have that PgAdmin
>> III does not?
>> *
>> *I did a survey involving a future feature that is planned,
>> but I have not yet *
>> *seen that as of 4 v1.5 .
>> *
>> Melvin Davidson 🎸
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>> On Friday, June 23, 2017, 2:47:51 PM EDT, Paragon Corporation
>> <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us <mailto:lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>> wrote:
>>
>> Russell,
>>
>> I fail to see a "valid" criticism in the original email. If
>> there anything constructive at all, I would not have deemed
>> him/her a fool.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>> *From:*Russell Mercer [mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com
>> <mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com>]
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 2:04 PM
>> *To:* Paragon Corporation <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us <mailto:lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>>
>> *Cc:* 'Pgadmin Support' <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org
>> <mailto:pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in
>> every way imaginable...
>>
>> It is my hope that this response does not indicate what I
>> think it might, which is that the valid criticisms he has
>> made in his emails are being lost in the immaturity with
>> which he has presented them.
>>
>> The points are valid that PG Admin 4 is extremely slow on
>> Windows machines. It is also true that there is a feature
>> gap between this new version of the software, and PG Admin
>> 3. It is extremely surprising that this gap exists given the
>> stated $1,000,000+ expenditure for development of the new
>> version. Where PG Admin 3 was able to spread across multiple
>> windows on multiple monitors, PG Admin 4 is constrained to
>> essentially a browser window.
>>
>> With the issues it has, I still use PG Admin 4 because it
>> supports features in the new versions of Postgres that
>> version 3 simply doesn't. I know the developers have been
>> active on the mailing list and are attempting to suss out
>> some of the thornier performance issues on Windows. For these
>> reasons, I have made my concerns known a couple of times, but
>> will not continue to harp on them.
>>
>> I realize that in the end, I get what I pay for. If you
>> choose to cast people as fools who have criticisms of your
>> software, that is your choice. I am a user of the database,
>> and the admin software. I am not a software developer, so my
>> avenues for action to solve the problem are limited. I am
>> left with the option to air my concerns, as are many other
>> people. Hopefully we are not written off simply because this
>> is all we do, however poorly we may choose to present them.
>>
>> The story of the court jesters of old comes to mind. They
>> were written off as fools by the majority of people, however
>> they used that as cover to deliver what was in many cases,
>> extremely pointed social commentary. So, while the original
>> poster may be considered a fool, it does not make him wrong.
>>
>> Thank you for the time and effort put forth on both
>> PostgreSQL and PGAdmin. They are great tools!
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> On 2017-06-23 07:07, Paragon Corporation wrote:
>>
>> "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain. And most
>> fools do."
>>
>> --- Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> *From:*grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com
>> <mailto:grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com>
>> [mailto:grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 9:16 AM
>> *To:* Pgadmin Support <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org
>> <mailto:pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>>
>> *Subject:* Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in
>> every way imaginable...
>>
>> This isn't even funny. It's just sad and bizarre.
>> Everything about this project screams of incompetence,
>> from the impossibly slow and buggy pgAdmin 4 -- literally
>> UNUSABLE after over a million dollars spent developing
>> it! -- to this mailing list itself.
>>
>> I'm going to have to assume that nobody gives a shit
>> about anything related to pgAdmin. I'm sure as hell never
>> going to "upgrade" from pgAdmin III, which itself is
>> incredibly slow and buggy as well, but lightyears ahead
>> of v4.
>>
>> Then again, nobody will read this, just like my previous
>> posts. You are immune to the truth. I'm going to force
>> myself to use one of the weird "alternatives" and forget
>> about pgAdmin forever. Bye.
>>
>> (If I manage to unsubscribe to this inferno.)
>>