RE: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way imaginable...

Same

On 23 Jun 2017 8:33 pm, "Regina Obe" <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us> wrote:

Alexey,

pgAdmin (pgAdmin 4 graphical user tool that comes packaged with a lot of
PostgreSQL distributions).

I think the issue is people are getting emails from the pgAdmin mailing
list that never used to before.

I think I had my setting set to digest, and now past week or so I get all
of them individually so seems like a lot which I think is why people are
trying to unsubscribe.

Thanks,

Regina

*From:* Alex Ignatov [mailto:a(dot)ignatov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru]
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 3:22 PM
*To:* Russell Mercer <rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com>; Melvin Davidson <
melvin6925(at)yahoo(dot)com>
*Cc:* Paragon Corporation <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>; 'Pgadmin Support' <
pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>

*Subject:* Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
imaginable...

What PgAdmin is and why everybody is unsubscribing?

Alexey Ignatov

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:19 PM +0300, "Russell Mercer" <
rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com> wrote:

Melvin,

PgAdmin 4 has more in depth support for foreign data tables and
materialized views than does PgAdmin III. There are separate sections for
them which makes sense as they are a different construct than a standard
view or table. These are the primary items I was referring to.

Russell

On 2017-06-23 11:54, Melvin Davidson wrote:

*Russell,*

*>** I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports features in the new
versions of Postgres that *

*> version 3 simply doesn't.*

*Just curious. What features does PgAdmin 4 have that PgAdmin III does not?*

*I did a survey involving a future feature that is planned, but I have not
yet *

*seen that as of 4 v1.5 .*

*Melvin Davidson **🎸*

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On Friday, June 23, 2017, 2:47:51 PM EDT, Paragon Corporation <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>
wrote:

Russell,

I fail to see a "valid" criticism in the original email. If there anything
constructive at all, I would not have deemed him/her a fool.

Respectfully,

Leo

*From:* Russell Mercer [mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com
<rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com>]
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 2:04 PM
*To:* Paragon Corporation <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>
*Cc:* 'Pgadmin Support' <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>
*Subject:* Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
imaginable...

It is my hope that this response does not indicate what I think it might,
which is that the valid criticisms he has made in his emails are being lost
in the immaturity with which he has presented them.

The points are valid that PG Admin 4 is extremely slow on Windows
machines. It is also true that there is a feature gap between this new
version of the software, and PG Admin 3. It is extremely surprising that
this gap exists given the stated $1,000,000+ expenditure for development of
the new version. Where PG Admin 3 was able to spread across multiple
windows on multiple monitors, PG Admin 4 is constrained to essentially a
browser window.

With the issues it has, I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports features
in the new versions of Postgres that version 3 simply doesn't. I know the
developers have been active on the mailing list and are attempting to suss
out some of the thornier performance issues on Windows. For these reasons,
I have made my concerns known a couple of times, but will not continue to
harp on them.

I realize that in the end, I get what I pay for. If you choose to cast
people as fools who have criticisms of your software, that is your choice.
I am a user of the database, and the admin software. I am not a software
developer, so my avenues for action to solve the problem are limited. I am
left with the option to air my concerns, as are many other people.
Hopefully we are not written off simply because this is all we do, however
poorly we may choose to present them.

The story of the court jesters of old comes to mind. They were written off
as fools by the majority of people, however they used that as cover to
deliver what was in many cases, extremely pointed social commentary. So,
while the original poster may be considered a fool, it does not make him
wrong.

Thank you for the time and effort put forth on both PostgreSQL and
PGAdmin. They are great tools!

Russell

On 2017-06-23 07:07, Paragon Corporation wrote:

"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain. And most fools do."

--- Benjamin Franklin

*From:* grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com [mailto:grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com
<grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com>]
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 9:16 AM
*To:* Pgadmin Support <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>
*Subject:* Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way imaginable...

This isn't even funny. It's just sad and bizarre. Everything about this
project screams of incompetence, from the impossibly slow and buggy pgAdmin
4 -- literally UNUSABLE after over a million dollars spent developing it!
-- to this mailing list itself.

I'm going to have to assume that nobody gives a shit about anything related
to pgAdmin. I'm sure as hell never going to "upgrade" from pgAdmin III,
which itself is incredibly slow and buggy as well, but lightyears ahead of
v4.

Then again, nobody will read this, just like my previous posts. You are
immune to the truth. I'm going to force myself to use one of the weird
"alternatives" and forget about pgAdmin forever. Bye.

(If I manage to unsubscribe to this inferno.)