Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way imaginable...

I was letting this stuff go as best as I could, but this is some serious
nonsense going on right here. And the response by Paragon and devs or
whatever they are is horrible. If a fool is rude to you, you don't, as the
face of a company, respond in a rude way. You shouldn't have access to
public facing communications if that's how you're going to respond.

As for the unsubscribe stuff, it doesn't work. I'm reporting spam and
blocking senders, and will report every other email I get from the group as
spam as well. Don't like that? Fix it on your end.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:32 PM Alex Ignatov <a(dot)ignatov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru>
wrote:

> What PgAdmin is and why everybody is unsubscribing?
>
> Alexey Ignatov
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:19 PM +0300, "Russell Mercer" <
> rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com> wrote:
>
> Melvin,
>>
>> PgAdmin 4 has more in depth support for foreign data tables and
>> materialized views than does PgAdmin III. There are separate sections for
>> them which makes sense as they are a different construct than a standard
>> view or table. These are the primary items I was referring to.
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-06-23 11:54, Melvin Davidson wrote:
>>
>> *Russell,*
>> *> I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports features in the new
>> versions of Postgres that *
>> *> version 3 simply doesn't.*
>>
>>
>> *Just curious. What features does PgAdmin 4 have that PgAdmin III does
>> not?*
>> *I did a survey involving a future feature that is planned, but I have
>> not yet *
>>
>> *seen that as of 4 v1.5 .*
>>
>> Melvin Davidson 🎸
>> I reserve the right to fantasize. Whether or not you
>> wish to share my fantasy is entirely up to you.
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>> ------------------------------
>> On Friday, June 23, 2017, 2:47:51 PM EDT, Paragon Corporation <
>> lr(at)pcorp(dot)us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Russell,
>>
>>
>>
>> I fail to see a "valid" criticism in the original email. If there
>> anything constructive at all, I would not have deemed him/her a fool.
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Russell Mercer [mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 2:04 PM
>> *To:* Paragon Corporation <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>
>> *Cc:* 'Pgadmin Support' <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>
>> *Subject:* Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
>> imaginable...
>>
>>
>>
>> It is my hope that this response does not indicate what I think it might,
>> which is that the valid criticisms he has made in his emails are being lost
>> in the immaturity with which he has presented them.
>>
>> The points are valid that PG Admin 4 is extremely slow on Windows
>> machines. It is also true that there is a feature gap between this new
>> version of the software, and PG Admin 3. It is extremely surprising that
>> this gap exists given the stated $1,000,000+ expenditure for development of
>> the new version. Where PG Admin 3 was able to spread across multiple
>> windows on multiple monitors, PG Admin 4 is constrained to essentially a
>> browser window.
>>
>> With the issues it has, I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports
>> features in the new versions of Postgres that version 3 simply doesn't. I
>> know the developers have been active on the mailing list and are attempting
>> to suss out some of the thornier performance issues on Windows. For these
>> reasons, I have made my concerns known a couple of times, but will not
>> continue to harp on them.
>>
>> I realize that in the end, I get what I pay for. If you choose to cast
>> people as fools who have criticisms of your software, that is your choice.
>> I am a user of the database, and the admin software. I am not a software
>> developer, so my avenues for action to solve the problem are limited. I am
>> left with the option to air my concerns, as are many other people.
>> Hopefully we are not written off simply because this is all we do, however
>> poorly we may choose to present them.
>>
>> The story of the court jesters of old comes to mind. They were written
>> off as fools by the majority of people, however they used that as cover to
>> deliver what was in many cases, extremely pointed social commentary. So,
>> while the original poster may be considered a fool, it does not make him
>> wrong.
>>
>> Thank you for the time and effort put forth on both PostgreSQL and
>> PGAdmin. They are great tools!
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-06-23 07:07, Paragon Corporation wrote:
>>
>> "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain. And most fools do."
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Benjamin Franklin
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com [mailto:grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com
>> <grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com>]
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 9:16 AM
>> *To:* Pgadmin Support <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>
>> *Subject:* Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
>> imaginable...
>>
>>
>>
>> This isn't even funny. It's just sad and bizarre. Everything about this
>> project screams of incompetence, from the impossibly slow and buggy pgAdmin
>> 4 -- literally UNUSABLE after over a million dollars spent developing it!
>> -- to this mailing list itself.
>>
>> I'm going to have to assume that nobody gives a shit about anything
>> related to pgAdmin. I'm sure as hell never going to "upgrade" from pgAdmin
>> III, which itself is incredibly slow and buggy as well, but lightyears
>> ahead of v4.
>>
>> Then again, nobody will read this, just like my previous posts. You are
>> immune to the truth. I'm going to force myself to use one of the weird
>> "alternatives" and forget about pgAdmin forever. Bye.
>>
>> (If I manage to unsubscribe to this inferno.)
>>
>>