Re: Vertica targeting PostgreSQL users

From: Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie>
To: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
Cc: Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, "Jonathan S(dot) Katz" <jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org>, PostgreSQL Advocacy Group <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Vertica targeting PostgreSQL users
Date: 2017-11-21 00:35:19
Message-ID: CAH2-WznfH1dWixL6fezQF0e7=i4JqbNpbyx0HDRcnfCq-2N3yw@mail.gmail.com
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On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> I reread my original email and the only point of contention that I can find
> is here:
>
> ... the bad news is both of these companies are move their clients to their
> closed platforms as soon as possible
>
> Which was badly worded on my part but I don't think is inaccurate. We know
> EDB does this and I have had conversations with 2Q about their closed
> platform and although they are not doing exactly what EDB is doing you
> yourself posted that they are developing patches for back branches that are
> closed, not open.

But I don't see any evidence that they're doing that. The 2ndQuadrant
soft fork is expressly about getting select features on earlier
Postgres versions. That's not a platform. They don't have a v10 right
now, presumably because that will only come when v11 is released, and
has features that select users may have a sense of urgency about.

> That is a bummer for the community but the reason they
> would do that is twofold:
>
> 1. Customer demand (see original post)
> 2. Revenue generation (see original post)
>
> To use a term from Simon, the only "FakeNews" here is that people are trying
> to make my post into something it wasn't.

I think that you insinuated plenty.

I was the person that caused some kind of profound loss of innocence
on your part, according to this blog post of yours:

https://www.commandprompt.com/blog/the_fall_of_open_source/

(To be fair, I wasn't identifiable from the blogpost, which is just as
well because I am significantly misrepresented in it.)

I noticed today that Command Prompt prominently advertises being all about AWS:

https://amazon.cioreview.com/vendor/2017/command_prompt,_inc.

I really think that you need to give up this Postgres Trotskyite
thing. It doesn't help.

--
Peter Geoghegan

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