From: | Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie> |
---|---|
To: | Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Removing more vacuumlazy.c special cases, relfrozenxid optimizations |
Date: | 2022-03-23 22:28:05 |
Message-ID: | CAH2-Wzkpj+d3iSHw9zZRq_jiWq9eoKbb5sD7CcjT1723QheffQ@mail.gmail.com |
Views: | Raw Message | Whole Thread | Download mbox | Resend email |
Thread: | |
Lists: | pgsql-hackers |
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 2:03 PM Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> Yeah, I found it confusing that DISABLE_PAGE_SKIPPING doesn't disable
> all page skipping, so 3414099c turned out to be not enough.
The proposed change to DISABLE_PAGE_SKIPPING is partly driven by that,
and partly driven by a similar concern about aggressive VACUUM.
It seems worth emphasizing the idea that an aggressive VACUUM is now
just the same as any other VACUUM except for one detail: we're
guaranteed to advance relfrozenxid to a value >= FreezeLimit at the
end. The non-aggressive case has the choice to do things that make
that impossible. But there are only two places where this can happen now:
1. Non-aggressive VACUUMs might decide to skip some all-visible pages in
the new lazy_scan_skip() helper routine for skipping with the VM (see
v11-0002-*).
2. A non-aggressive VACUUM can *always* decide to ratchet back its
target relfrozenxid in lazy_scan_noprune, to avoid waiting for a
cleanup lock -- a final value from before FreezeLimit is usually still
pretty good.
The first scenario is the only one where it becomes impossible for
non-aggressive VACUUM to be able to advance relfrozenxid (with
v11-0001-* in place) by any amount. Even that's a choice, made by
weighing costs against benefits.
There is no behavioral change in v11-0002-* (we're still using the
old SKIP_PAGES_THRESHOLD strategy), but the lazy_scan_skip()
helper routine could fairly easily be taught a lot more about the
downside of skipping all-visible pages (namely how that makes it
impossible to advance relfrozenxid).
Maybe it's worth skipping all-visible pages (there are lots of them
and age(relfrozenxid) is still low), and maybe it isn't worth it. We
should get to decide, without implementation details making
relfrozenxid advancement unsafe.
It would be great if you could take a look v11-0002-*, Robert. Does it
make sense to you?
Thanks
--
Peter Geoghegan
From | Date | Subject | |
---|---|---|---|
Next Message | Tomas Vondra | 2022-03-23 22:30:06 | Re: logical decoding and replication of sequences |
Previous Message | Dmitry Dolgov | 2022-03-23 22:22:32 | Re: MDAM techniques and Index Skip Scan patch |