Re: (Repeat.) Please give pgAdmin 4 its own GUI. The constant password inputs are driving me insane...

Dave,

Ah, I guess the two of us have a different understanding of *desktop* mode.
In your, and apparently pgAdmin4's case, it's a locally running web server
with a couple of settings tweaked. In my, and perhaps many other people's,
understanding *desktop* mode is a program that you install on your machine
that contains it's own UI and *isn't* a server (even one that's running on
your local machine) that you access with your web browser as you would
google.com or facebook.com. Desktop mode is like pgAdmin3, non-desktop
(server) mode is like running apache locally that has had phpPgAdmin
installed. In pgAdmin4's case it's using python not php and the
application and web server come as a bundle.

But thanks for pointing me to that web page.

rik.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:14 AM Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:58 PM richard coleman <
> rcoleman(dot)ascentgl(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Thanks for helping to clear that up, I am sorry I misunderstood
>> Khushboo's response. As for running in *desktop mode*, I didn't think
>> that was possible for quite some time. I sure haven't been able to find
>> out how to pull that off. If you could explain, I would imagine I am not
>> the only one who would like that opportunity.
>>
>
> You are running in desktop mode, otherwise you would see the login page
> when you first connect (and you wouldn't get the master password prompt).
> See https://www.pgadmin.org/docs/pgadmin4/4.11/getting_started.html (and
> the relevant child pages on Server and Desktop deployment)
>
> Desktop vs. Server mode is not about the whether you access pgAdmin
> through a browser or not, but whether it's configured for running on a
> single user's desktop or on a web server that may be accessible to multiple
> users (or people who should not be using it at all; e.g. other people on
> the same LAN)
>
>
>>
>> rik.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 4:45 AM Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:50 PM richard coleman <
>>> rcoleman(dot)ascentgl(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (sorry about the last missive - continued)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 3:38 PM richard coleman <
>>>> rcoleman(dot)ascentgl(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Darren,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 3:03 PM Darren Duncan <darren(at)darrenduncan(dot)net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried using more than one browser?
>>>>>> that's what I've taken to doing, I have a separate install of
>>>>>> Chromium just for pgAdmin4. I've even changed the browser command to
>>>>>
>>>>> "chromium-browser %URL% " so that it starts with the right browser.
>>>>
>>>> Although not all browsers are apparently equal. Back on 2019-06-19
>>>> 04:10:13 Khushboo Vashi <khushboo(dot)vashi(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>
>>>> wrote in response to an issue I was having under Chromium;
>>>>
>>>>> "I would suggest, try a different browser as well as Chromium is not
>>>>> the
>>>>> supported browser for pgAdmin."
>>>>
>>>> Which suggests that there is *a supported browser* for pgAdmin4. This
>>>> begs the question, if there's only a *single* supported browser, what
>>>> exactly is the point of a web app? It's like web sites that only worked
>>>> correctly under IE6.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't mistake the phrasing there as an implication that there's only a
>>> single supported browser. Khushboo's first language is not English.
>>>
>>> We (the team at EDB, I can't speak for others) test on Chrome, Firefox,
>>> Safari, IE and Edge. For anyone using other browsers, the first step for us
>>> in diagnosing an issue is going to be to try to reproduce it on one of the
>>> browsers we test with. It's not feasible for us to test with everything
>>> that is out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Developing pgAdmin4 as a *web app*/*web server* thing might make sense
>>>> from a development standpoint, but personally I think it introduces way
>>>> more problems than it solves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It certainly does cause some problems that we didn't have before, but
>>> it's proven itself to solve a lot more.
>>>
>>> There's also the fact that running over the web is exactly what many
>>> people want these days. I would guesstimate that we probably see something
>>> like 50% of users we interact with running in web mode, and 50% in desktop
>>> mode. Download-wise, the number of container pulls is far outstripping the
>>> number of other downloads these days with Docker hub reporting > 10
>>> million. All of those users are running in web mode as that's the only way
>>> the container runs, so it's clear that the web app architecture is the
>>> right thing for a significant number of users.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Page
>>> Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @pgsnake
>>>
>>> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
>>> The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Dave Page
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>
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> The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
>