Re: Proposal: Drop support for Internet Explorer

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 1:34 PM richard coleman <rcoleman(dot)ascentgl(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Seeing that IE isn't standards compliant and not only is not being further
> developed, but Microsoft is actively discouraging its use, it is probably
> time to drop support for it.
>
> I would caution *against* using browser analytics as any sort of proxy for
> use. Since pgAdmin 4 lacks a UI of its own, I rely on an instance of
> Chromium (or Vivalidi, or Firefox, depending on the machine) to run pgAdmin
> under. In every case, the browser that I am *running* pgAdmin 4 under is
> *not* the same browser that I use to browse websites, and so would never
> show up in your analytics.
>

Understood. Analytics are just one source of information, and certainly not
conclusive as you point out. My suspicion is that your situation is not the
norm for most people, but that really is just a suspicion.

>
> Just something to keep in mind,
>
> rik.
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:00 AM Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:41 PM Dave Caughey <caugheyd(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>> Check the analytics... I think you'll find dropping it is a non-issue.
>>> In my own web service, I found that IE (all versions) constituted only
>>> about 1% of my users.
>>>
>>
>> Good point - 1.9% of the visitors to the website were on IE this week.
>> 1.8 of those were on IE11. We even had one hit from IE5...
>>
>> By comparison, 72% of users were on Chrome, 13% on Firefox, with 5.5%
>> each for Safari and Edge.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So I dropped support for IE (since it was preventing me from fully
>>> adopting ES6), and there was not a single complaint from my users.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Tue., Apr. 7, 2020, 3:36 a.m. Dave Page, <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Internet Explorer has long been superseded by Microsoft Edge, and even
>>>> that has recently moved to using Chromium as it's core engine. Version 11
>>>> was originally released in 2013, and though Microsoft have committed to
>>>> supporting it until 2025, as far as I can tell there have been no notable
>>>> new features in almost it's entire lifetime, and certainly in recent years
>>>> Microsoft have only been releasing security fixes.
>>>>
>>>> As you can imagine, supporting Internet Explorer has a non-trivial cost
>>>> to it for the pgAdmin project. Not only do we need to test with it as well
>>>> as Edge, but we also need to write code, CSS and HTML that is fully
>>>> compatible with what essentially is a 7 year old browser. By comparison,
>>>> for all other browsers we typically aim to support releases no more than 2
>>>> years old.
>>>>
>>>> I therefore propose that we officially drop support for Internet
>>>> Explorer. Practically this means that we would not test with it, and anyone
>>>> reporting a bug with it would be told to use an alternate browser.
>>>>
>>>> Objections/comments please?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>

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