Re: WIP: CoC

> We value the opinions of members who have contributed most more than we value the opinions of others.

A CoC is not the place to say some animals are more equal than others. A core commiter calling someone the n- or b- words is just as bad as me, a non commiter (if not worse!)

> While we do consider people's feelings, we weigh that against the effort of changing long understood terminology and the psychological trauma
such changes would cause for the large majority of people who are not as sensitive to the usage.

What psychological trauma? From changing terms? Are you crazy? (See for that you'd like to the CoC to tell me why that wasn't an appropriate way to express my disbelief that someone would equate a change of term to psychological trauma.

Also, "because it's been that way always" and "it would be a minor inconvience to a lot of people" are rarely good reasons to dismiss a valid objection to a term.

Also, it all sounds too fluffy.

Also, why did you have a quote at the top? Were you responding to something?

Jim

On January 11, 2016 5:56:08 PM EST, Regina Obe <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us> wrote:
>
>> 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is
>purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more
>interested in being a victim than moving forward.
>
>Here is my latest version. Let me know if I should throw in a github
>repo so it's easier to read or if you have other plans for a Coc.
>
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>
>
>Like the open source technical community as a whole, our community is
>made up of a mixture of professionals and volunteers with vast
>differences of opinions and
>styles of communication. Our community is made up of people from many
>cultures and walks of life who have come together
>with the common goals of making a great piece of software and helping
>others use this software.
>
>We value contributions from everybody. By contributions we mean code,
>documentation, project outreach in form of setting up conferences or
>working groups,
>package maintenance, answering and asking questions in our forums which
>further our mission, and providing bug reports.
>
>If you have contributed to our project, then we consider you a member
>of our extended family and value your opinions and concerns very
>highly.
>
>We value the opinions of members who have contributed most more than we
>value the opinions of others.
>This is because major contributors have already proved their desire to
>further our mission, and for newcomers,
>their intention has not yet been established.
>
>We want everyone entering our community willing to help out to feel
>welcomed.
>
>To maintain and encourage a welcoming environment we ask all people
>interacting with our community to follow these guidelines when in our
>public spaces. By public spaces we mean mailing lists, IRC channels,
>Code repositories, and reporting bug reports
>
>GUIDELINES
>
>1) When in discussions keep focused on the topic being discussed.
>2) Say helpful things, and if you feel you have nothing to say that
>furthers the discussion, say nothing.
>
>By helpful we mean for example:
>If someone asks a question, even if it's one that you think has an
>obvious answer, either provide an example or a link to the section of
>the manual that covers it.
>
>If you feel a person does not provide enough information for someone to
>help, point them to this link:
>https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Guide_to_reporting_problems
>
>3) Do not switch the topic to yourself unless the topic happens to be
>about you.
>For example if someone is asking a question about replication, and the
>words master and slave come up in discussion,
>do not talk about the great master/slave sex you had last night.
>
>4) Do not ask questions that are unrelated to the mission of our
>project.
>
>USE OF TRIGGER TERMS
>
>We have long standing terms like Master/Slave that may trigger some
>past trauma for some people.
>While we do consider people's feelings, we weigh that against the
>effort of changing long understood terminology and the psychological
>trauma
>such changes would cause for the large majority of people who are not
>as sensitive to the usage.
>As such we entertain change requests for naming of new features more
>than we do of renaming old features.
>
>HANDLING ISSUES
>
>We understand that through no fault of anybody, a person may make a
>comment they consider harmless that others find very offensive or makes
>another feel small. As project maintainers
>we will monitor these and gently call people out on them even if they
>are a member of our maintainer group.
>
>By gentle call out, we mean something like "I think what X was trying
>to say was that you need to do this" or point them to this document and
>specific bullet point we feel they violated.
>
>We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same in
>a kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and the
>person didn't mean harm by it,
>simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues.
>
>If anyone is being purposely antagonistic please notify the project
>maintainer group at ... with the specific occurrence and evidence that
>made you feel this way.
>We will judge if your complaints are valid and if we deem they are
>valid we will talk with the person to affect a change in their behavior
>or kick them out if we determine behavior change is not possible.
>
>We do not tolerate those we feel are trying to derail our project by
>injecting
>discussions that have little to do with the mission of our project.
>If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make demands for
>change, we will try to tell you that kindly
>and request you to change or leave.
>
>We promise as project maintainers to apply the same standards on
>ourselves as we apply to others.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Regina
>
>
>
>
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