Re: PL/pgSQL 1.2

From: Joel Jacobson <joel(at)trustly(dot)com>
To: Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Jan Wieck <jan(at)wi3ck(dot)info>, Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Marko Tiikkaja <marko(at)joh(dot)to>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PL/pgSQL 1.2
Date: 2014-09-04 15:10:46
Message-ID: 6853332171843610302@unknownmsgid
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On 4 sep 2014, at 15:32, Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:

2014-09-04 15:24 GMT+02:00 Jan Wieck <jan(at)wi3ck(dot)info>:

> On 09/04/2014 01:14 AM, Pavel Stehule wrote:
>
>> 2014-09-03 23:19 GMT+02:00 Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com
>> A more SQL-ish way of doing the same could probably be called COMMAND
>> CONSTRAINTS
>> and look something like this
>>
>> SELECT
>> ...
>> CHECK (ROWCOUNT BETWEEN 0 AND 1);
>>
>>
>> It is very near to my proposed ASSERT
>>
>
> Only if the ASSERT syntax would become part of the original statement, it
> is supposed to check. In Hannu's command constraint example above, the
> statement that causes the error, and thus will be logged and become
> identified by the error message, is the actual SELECT (or other DML
> statement).
>

this is valid argument.

On second hand, I proposed a ASSERT that was not based on expressions only.
There is not a technical issue to write assert with knowledge of related
statement.

>
> I think I like the COMMAND CONSTRAINT the best so far.
>

I not, because when it will not be part of SQL, than parser in plpgsql will
be more complex. You have to inject SELECT, UPDATE, INSERT, DELETE

This is what I suspected. You are against the best syntax because they are
more complex to implement. I think that's coming into the discussion from
the wrong direction. First agree on the best syntax, then worry about the
implementation.

I also understand the syntax changes will mean a lot of trouble for your
plpgsql_check_function() project, but that cannot hold us back, we must aim
for the best possible syntax with plpgsql2.
Your work with plpgsql_check_function() btw saved me hundreds of hours of
work, when we upgraded from 8.4 a few years ago, many thanks Pavel!

Pavel

>
>
> Regards,
> Jan
>
> --
> Jan Wieck
> Senior Software Engineer
> http://slony.info
>

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