Re: 8.5 release timetable, again

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:48:43PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 01:57 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> > Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> > > I posted a note about a week ago which drew far less commentary
> > > than I expected, regarding the timetable for the release of 8.5.
> >
> > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-08/msg01256.php
> >
> > > Perhaps this is already being discussed on -core, but if so the
> > > conclusions haven't been shared publicly.
> >
> > Core hasn't discussed 8.5 schedule since the discussions that
> > Peter summarized in the message you cited above. I share your
> > concern that "release in time for PGCon" isn't very realistic if
> > we don't get more aggressive about schedule. On the other hand,
> > we didn't get all that much done in this fest. If we cut back to
> > a three-fest schedule I think we may succeed in releasing 8.5
> > early, but only because there is nothing interesting in it :-(.
> > Dunno where the right balance is.
>
> General comment on thread:
>
> The level of detailed planning happening now is a change for the
> community and in general I think it's a good thing. In the past
> we've always said it will be shipped when it's ready, and now we
> seem to be caught by our own rules. There's no need to make hard
> decisions now. Let's keep some flexibility in our thinking. If the
> structures give us problems, lets change the structures. The idea is
> the plans help the developers, not hinder them or make it harder to
> include big features.
>
> In my view it is important that I have a holistic view of what I am
> doing and that means it is very difficult for others to help in a
> way that doesn't merely hinder me (or Fujii-san). Speed of coding is
> not the issue here, nor is the number of hands on a keyboard.
>
> I don't share the doubts or fears expressed that the two big patches
> will not make it into Postgres in this release. We now have more
> people experienced in these areas of code than at any other time in
> our history. We have almost-complete solutions from experienced
> developers. In particular, I have faith in Fujii-san.
>
> I would appreciate it if somebody could send out some messages of
> calm, while I/we work. The time for open review will come around
> soon enough.

With all due respect, the time for open review is now. You have
already tried closed development several times, and it each time has
been, more or less, a spectacular failure.

Cheers,
David.
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