Re: 8.5 release timetable, again

On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 01:57 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> > I posted a note about a week ago which drew far less commentary than I
> > expected, regarding the timetable for the release of 8.5.
>
> > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-08/msg01256.php
>
> > Perhaps this is already being discussed on -core, but if so the
> > conclusions haven't been shared publicly.
>
> Core hasn't discussed 8.5 schedule since the discussions that Peter
> summarized in the message you cited above. I share your concern that
> "release in time for PGCon" isn't very realistic if we don't get more
> aggressive about schedule. On the other hand, we didn't get all that
> much done in this fest. If we cut back to a three-fest schedule
> I think we may succeed in releasing 8.5 early, but only because there
> is nothing interesting in it :-(. Dunno where the right balance is.

General comment on thread:

The level of detailed planning happening now is a change for the
community and in general I think it's a good thing. In the past we've
always said it will be shipped when it's ready, and now we seem to be
caught by our own rules. There's no need to make hard decisions now.
Let's keep some flexibility in our thinking. If the structures give us
problems, lets change the structures. The idea is the plans help the
developers, not hinder them or make it harder to include big features.

In my view it is important that I have a holistic view of what I am
doing and that means it is very difficult for others to help in a way
that doesn't merely hinder me (or Fujii-san). Speed of coding is not the
issue here, nor is the number of hands on a keyboard.

I don't share the doubts or fears expressed that the two big patches
will not make it into Postgres in this release. We now have more people
experienced in these areas of code than at any other time in our
history. We have almost-complete solutions from experienced developers.
In particular, I have faith in Fujii-san.

I would appreciate it if somebody could send out some messages of calm,
while I/we work. The time for open review will come around soon enough.

Faith and patience. Please. No need for Fawlty Towers re-runs.

--
Simon Riggs www.2ndQuadrant.com