Re: Views, views, views: Summary of Arguments

From: David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org>
To: Robert Treat <xzilla(at)users(dot)sourceforge(dot)net>
Cc: Christopher Kings-Lynne <chriskl(at)familyhealth(dot)com(dot)au>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, "Thomas F(dot) O'Connell" <tfo(at)sitening(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Views, views, views: Summary of Arguments
Date: 2005-05-12 23:59:07
Message-ID: 20050512235907.GF11078@fetter.org
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On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 05:52:43PM -0400, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Thursday 12 May 2005 01:32, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > > FWIW, I don't see the issue as "internal vs external" at all.
> > > What's bothering me is whether these views can be considered
> > > sufficiently more stable and better designed than the physical
> > > system catalogs to justify recommending that application
> > > designers should rely on the views instead of the catalogs.
> > > That point doesn't seem to me to have been proven. The recent
> > > arguments in favor seem to boil down to "novices will find these
> > > easier to use", which is very possibly true, but novices don't
> > > have the same needs as programs.
> >
> > As lead phpPgAdmin developer, I'm officially in favour of them.
> > The main reason being all the extra fruit they have that shows
> > database size, etc.
> >
>
> As non-lead phpPgAdmin developer, I'd be against using them in
> phppgadmin. (note this doesnt mean I am against them in pgsql
> itself)

On what grounds?

> > That means we can display this meta information in phpPgAdmin and
> > not worry about having to re-implement it all.
> >
>
> You have to query something... doesn't bother me to go to the
> source.

A PostgreSQL developer has shown in this very thread that it is
extremely easy to screw up a query against those catalogs. Maybe
you're better than he is, but that's not a reason to keep something
simpler out.

Cheers,
D
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