Re: Code of Conduct: Is it time?

Hi Everyone ,

My only aim is further progress of postgresql. Emails are not the best medium for consulting about complex issues.

One last point I would like to make is this.

As per Sun Microsystem’s case charging zero dollars (for Java and mysql) means there is zero income.

I have said all I wish to say.

Whatever is the decision of the team I will happily support them.

Good luck.

Farjad Farid

From: James Keener [mailto:jim(at)jimkeener(dot)com]
Sent: 06 January 2016 14:29
To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

What are you talking about? What business structure? Commercial offerings can and will continue to exist in terms of custom features or consulting.

Firstly, it ceases to be a community version when there is a charge. Secondly, it would damage our community by shrinking the size to effectively none while a hard fork (or more) spring up and people migrate to them. Moreover, unless you change the license people will redistribute newer versions for free.

So, while I have no say so in any of this, I believe it would be a very short sighted move. There are many other ways that money for the oss/foundation can be raised if money or supplies are needed.

Jim

On January 6, 2016 9:14:21 AM EST, "FarjadFarid(ChkNet)" <farjad(dot)farid(at)checknetworks(dot)com> wrote:

Hi Karsten,
You may be mistaking the community version for any of the commercially
supported offerings ?

It is possible. Please fill in the figures.

What I am suggesting is that even for community version there should be a
charge.

But as I mentioned it is not just prices.

May be I wasn't very clear the most important factor is the business
structure then quality of products and marketing together with pricing.

As a further example consider how a very small company like ARM beat giants
like Intel and Samsung in the mobile phone industry.

It is their business model that is not profitable for Intel and Samsung to
emulate.

*Of course they have a great products. Equally importantly their business
model makes it
realistic and profitable for other
companies to use their services. *

I am only providing some food for thought. For me we can all learn from
other people's successes and failures.

I for one think everyone on the team have done a great job bringing
postgresql to this stage.

Good luck

Farjad Farid

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-general-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
[mailto:pgsql-general-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org] On Behalf Of Karsten Hilbert
Sent: 06 January 2016 11:32
To: pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 11:22:17AM -0000, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) wrote:
I am not in favour of massive price structures but that there should
be $100-$200 costs for
smallest version. Times several million
products. This may allow postgresql to reduce its prices on its the
top of the range products.

You may be mistaking the community version for any of the commercially
supported offerings ?

Regards,
Karsten
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