Re: Do we need a way to moderate mailing lists?

To pick up Pettus's point: filtering out precisely and only the noise is
hard.  Maybe in a couple more decades we'll be there.  (Sorry I won't be
around for it.) For now ignoring it might be the best option.

On 1/15/21 11:43 PM, Hemil Ruparel wrote:
> Exactly my point. We need to raise the bar of the behavior we
> tolerate. This should not be tolerated. We need to set an example. The
> person in question clearly understood english and I have never seen a
> person who could use mailing lists but not google. So that's out of
> the question.
>
> We are not free consultants. And you are not entitled to shit. You are
> probably being paid to work on that project. We are not. Your problem.
> Fix it yourself. Or at least have to courtesy to google it.
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:06 PM Rob Sargent <robjsargent(at)gmail(dot)com
> <mailto:robjsargent(at)gmail(dot)com>> wrote:
>
> I watched this sadness play out.  It had nothing to do with the
> OP's original question.  Rather someone with feelings hurt from a
> separate thread (table correlation) felt the need drag that
> squabble over to the focal issue here (tools).  I was tempted
> bring up the COC but I'm not really a believer.
>
> We see these flare ups almost as frequently as the repetition of
> the "tune pg tool" request.  They die out pretty quickly
> especially when an obvious expert declines to waste any more of
> the offender's (offended's) time.
>
>
> On 1/15/21 10:51 PM, Hemil Ruparel wrote:
>> This is a meta discussion. I couldn't find a meta mailing list
>> <https://www.postgresql.org/list/>so I am posting it here. This
>> discussion sparked from this message
>> <https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/937655834.1614113.1610725029956@mail.yahoo.com>.
>>
>>
>> We should clearly mention on the postgres mailing list page
>> <https://www.postgresql.org/list/> that people are encouraged to
>> do their own research and that we are a community of people who
>> help for free. And so we expect OP to do basic initial research.
>> And the OP is not entitled to receive an answer as we are not
>> bound by any contract. We spend our personal time away from our
>> busy schedule to help others and we have the right to choose who
>> we give our time to.
>>
>> Another important point is we need a mechanism to prevent
>> polluting our community. We need to raise the bar a little. Or we
>> become like quora. Where the same question is posted thousands of
>> times with the exact same wording. Stack Exchange has taken it to
>> the extreme to the point that it's become toxic for newbies. We
>> need to be somewhere in between. I propose when the first time
>> someone posts such a question, we give them the benefit of doubt
>> and point them to resources which they should consider before
>> posting. Second time, we warn them not to do this again and use
>> the resources they have at their disposal. The third time we
>> should temporarily ban them (say for a week).
>>
>> It's my personal opinion. But i personally do not want to deal
>> with entitled people who cannot do basic google searches.
>>
>>
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