Re: The tragedy of SQL

Is it possible that this is mainly an emotional discussion?

Raymond Brinzer schreef op di 14-09-2021 om 02:39 [-0400]:
> Many languages are awesome. I'm always astonished at what great
> things people have come up with, over the years; it's been a
> wonderfully fertile field. We would certainly not be better off if
> we'd just buckled down, and used COBOL and FORTRAN... or even
> relatively good languages like C, APL, and Lisp.
>
> It is certainly possible to change too lightly, for small reasons.
> That doesn't mean that forever enduring the same problems is a good
> idea.
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 2:18 AM Rob Sargent <robjsargent(at)gmail(dot)com>
> wrote:
> > On 9/13/21 11:51 PM, Guyren Howe wrote:
> >
> > They are making a decent decision. SQL is a *fucking terrible*
> > language, which I don’t blame them for not wanting to learn.
> >
> > The whole industry, programming languages, infrastructure,
> > everything would have developed differently if relations were a
> > natural, pleasurable thing to use in any programming language. Like
> > an Array, or a Hash.
> > On Sep 13, 2021, 22:45 -0700, Hemil Ruparel <
> > hemilruparel2002(at)gmail(dot)com>, wrote:
> >
> > SQL is not the problem. Problem are the devs. I love SQL. I hate
> > orms. The problem with databases is people refuse to treat it as
> > the entity it is and want to use their beautiful OO system. Problem
> > is databases are not OO. We need to recognize that and treat
> > databases as databases.
> >
> > All languages are fucking terrible. There are thousands of the
> > them because some people bump into a feature they don't like and
> > run off an make another fucking terrible language. For the love of
> > God, please don't be one of those people. The rest of us find
> > languages we can abide and do productive things with using features
> > we like and avoiding those we don't. I've always felt it was no
> > small miracle the vendors managed to agree to ODBC/JDBC driver
> > specs (even though the SQL language definition is "more like
> > guidelines"). Go scream at the DOM and JavaScript.
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