From: | "Jonathan S(dot) Katz" <jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
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To: | Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
Cc: | Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) |
Date: | 2019-07-26 01:57:37 |
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Hi,
Before my reply, I wanted to say that I've been lurking on this thread
for a bit as I've tried to better inform myself on encryption at rest
and how it will apply to what we want to build. I actually built a
(poor) prototype in Python of the key management system that Joe &
Masahiko both laid out, in addition to performing some "buffer
encrpytion" with it. It's not worth sharing at this point.
With the disclaimer that I'm not as familiar with a lot of concepts as I
would like to be:
On 7/25/19 1:54 PM, Masahiko Sawada wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:18 AM Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 12:04:25PM +0900, Masahiko Sawada wrote:
>>> I've re-considered the design of TDE feature based on the discussion
>>> so far. The one of the main open question is the granular of
>>> encryption objects: cluster encryption or more-granular-than-cluster
>>> encryption. The followings describe about the new TDE design when we
>>> choose table-level encryption or something-new-group-level encryption.
>>>
>>> General
>>> ========
>>> We will use AES and support both AES-128 and AES-256. User can specify
>>> the new initdb option something like --aes-128 or --aes-256 to enable
>>> encryption and must specify --encryption-key-passphrase-command along
>>> with. (I guess we also require openssl library.) If these options are
>>> specified, we write the key length to the control file and derive the
>>> KEK and generate MDEK during initdb. wal_log_hints will be enabled
>>> automatically in encryption mode, like we do for checksum mode,
>>
>> Agreed. pg_control will store the none/AES128/AES256 indicator.
>>
>>> Key Management
>>> ==============
>>> We will use 3-tier key architecture as Joe proposed.
>>>
>>> 1. A master key encryption key (KEK): this is the ley supplied by the
>>> database admin using something akin to ssl_passphrase_command
>>>
>>> 2. A master data encryption key (MDEK): this is a generated key using a
>>> cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator. It is
>>> encrypted using the KEK, probably with Key Wrap (KW):
>>> or maybe better Key Wrap with Padding (KWP):
>>>
>>> 3a. Per table data encryption keys (TDEK): use MDEK and HKDF to generate
>>> table specific keys.
>>
>> What is the value of a per-table encryption key? How is HKDF derived?
>
> Per-table encryption key is derived from MDEK with salt and its OID as
> info. I think we can store salts for each encryption keys into the
> separate file so that off-line tool also can read it.
+1 with using the info/salt for the HKDF as described above. The other
decision will be the hashing algorithm to use. SHA-256?
>>> 3b. WAL data encryption keys (WDEK): Similarly use MDEK and a HKDF to
>>> generate new keys when needed for WAL.
>>>
>>> We store MDEK to the plain file (say global/pgkey) after encrypted
>>> with the KEK. I might want to store the hash of passphrase of the KEK
>>> in order to verify the correctness of the given passphrase. However we
>>> don't need to store TDEK and WDEK as we can derive them as needed. The
>>> key file can be read by both backend processes and front-end tools.
>>
>> Yes, we need to verify the pass phrase.
Just to clarify, this would be a hash of the KEK?
From my experiments, the MDEK key unwrapping fails if you do not have
the correct KEK (as it should). If it's a matter of storing a hash of
the KEK, I'm not sure if there is much added benefit to have it, but I
would not necessarily oppose it either.
>>> When postmaster startup, it reads the key file and decrypts MDEK and
>>> derive WDEK using key id for WDEK.
I don't know if this is getting too far ahead, but what happens if the
supplied KEK fails to decrypt the MDEK? Will postmaster refuse to startup?
>>> WDEK is loaded to the key hash map
>>> (keyid -> key) on the shared memory. Also we derive TDEK as needed
>>> when reading tables or indexes and add it to the key hash map as well
>>> if not exists.
+1 to this approach.
>>>
>>> Buffer Encryption
>>> ==============
>>> We will use AES-CBC for buffer encryption. We will add key id (4byte)
>>
>> I think we might want to use CTR for this, and will post after this.
Not sure if I missed this post or not (as several people mentioned, it
is easy to get lost in this thread).
I think what will help drive this decision is whether or not we consider
the data we are storing on disk as a "file system" in itself. Trying to
make myself literate in disk encryption theory[1], it seems a big
weakness in using CTR mode for encryption is we need to be able to
guarantee a fresh counter for every page we encrypt[2], so if we can
guarantee the uniqueness of IV per TDEK, this is on the table.
XTS mode, on the other hand, appears to be more durable to reusing an IV
as the "tweak" was designed to represent a disk sector, though there are
still problems. However, I presume this is one of many reasons why
fscrypt uses XTS[3].
For data malleability, CTR is described to be more vulnerable, but both
modes (all for that modes?) require some sort of digital signature (and
most of my research has lead to Encrypt-then-MAC, which I know is being
discussed elsewhere in the thread).
>>
>>> to after the pd_lsn(8byte) in PageHeaderData and we will not encrypt
>>> first 16 byte of each pages so the LSN and key id can be used. We can
>>> store an invalid key id to tell us that the table is not encrypted.
>>> There two benefits of storing key id to the page header: offline tools
>>> can get key id (and know the table is encrypted or not) and it's
>>> helpful for online rekey in the future.
>>
>> I don't remember anyone suggesting different keys for different tables.
>> How would this even be managed by the user?
>
> I think it's still unclear whether we implement one key for whole
> database cluster or different keys for different table as the first
> version. I'm evaluating the performance overhead of the latter that
> you concerned and will share it.
>
> I prefer tablespace-level or something-new-group-level than
> table-level but if we choose the latter we can create a new group of
> tables that are encrypted with the same key. That is user create a
> group and then associate tables to that group. Tablespace-level is
> implemented in the patch I submitted before.
I may not be following here...but the TDEKs are can be dervied with a
(OID,salt) combination, so even if it was per tablespace we would be
storing a salt -- I'm not sure how it would affect being per-table other
than the additional overhead of storing the salt per table...
...I think the pain is realized if/when there is a TDEK rotation, i.e.
the amount of data encrypted by the (OID,salt) pair exceeds
> Or it's just idea but
> another idea could be to allow users to create encryption key object
> first and then specify which tables are encrypted with which
> encryption key in DDL. For example, user creates an encryption keys
> with name by SQL function and creates an encrypted table by CREATE
> TABLE ... WITH (encryption_key = 'mykey');.
-1 for storing encryption keys in the DDL. If someone has `log_statement
= ddl` or above, those keys will get stored in plaintext to said logs.
I would be +1 for being able to explicitly set tables to be encrypted,
and +1 for a GUC that turns on encryption for all tables. I see a lot of
footguns with configurability and understand there are implementation
headaches as well, but wanted to float the ideas.
>>> I've considered to store IV and key id to a new fork but I felt that
>>> it is complex because we will always need to have the fork on the
>>> shared buffer when any pages of its main fork is written to the disk.
>>> If almost buffers of the shared buffers are dirtied and theirs new
>>> forks are not loaded to the shared buffer, we might need to load the
>>> new fork and write the page to the disk and then evict some pages,
>>> over and over.
>>>
>>> We will use (page lsn, page number) to create a nonce. IVs are created
>>> by encrypting the nonce with its TDEK.
>>
>> Agreed.
We just need to ensure this adds up to 16 bytes for the IV based on all
of the encryption methods we are considering. I believe this gets us to
12, so we need 4 additional bytes.
To echo an idea up thread, we could make this completely
nondeterministic and keep a randomly generated IV on the page header
(understanding this takes up even more space, and we may need some more
space anyway based on the outcome of the MAC discussion). Or perhaps we
just need to keep 4 bytes for a random salt on the page header that can
be appended to the page LSN / page no. pair.
>>
>>> WAL Encryption
>>> =============
>>> We will use AES-CTR for WAL encryption and encrypt each WAL pages with WDEK.
>>>
>>> We will use WAL segment number to create a nonce. Similar to buffer
>>> encryption, IVs are created using by the nonce and WDEK.
Same comment as above RE needing 16 bytes for the IV, as well as
possible solutions.
>>
>> Yes. If there is concern about collision of table/index and WAL IVs, we
>> can add a constant to the two uses, as Joe Conway mentioned.
>>
>>> If we want to support enabling or disabling encryption after initdb we
>>> might want to have key id in the WAL page header.
Makes sense. I think the big question is if one enables encryption after
initdb and after there is already data in the database, what happens?
Sounds like it could be a bit of a challenge :)
>>>
>>> Front-end Tool Support
>>> ==================
>>> We will add --encryption-key-passphrase-command option to the
>>> front-end tools that read database files or WAL segment files directly.
>>> They can get KEK via --encryption-key-passphrase-command and get MDEK
>>> by reading the key file. Also they can know the key length by checking
>>> the control file. Since they can derive TDEK using by key id stored in
>>> the page header they can decrypt database files. Similarly, they also
>>> can decrypt WAL as they can know the key id of WDEK.
+1.
>>>
>>> Master Key Rotation
>>> ================
>>> We will support new command-line tool that rotates the master key
>>> offline. It accepts --old-encryption-key-passphrase-command option and
>>> --new-encryption-key-passphrase-command to get old KEK and new KEK
>>> respectively. It decrypt MDEK with the old key and encrypt it with
>>> the new key.
>>
>> That handles changing the passphrase, but what about rotating the
>> encryption key? Don't we want to support that, at least in offline
>> mode?
>
> Yeah, supporting rotating the encryption key is a good idea. Agreed.
I think part of the reason for having the KEK is we can rotate the KEK
without needing to rotate the MDEK.
Rotating the MDEK could cause a pretty significant downtime event based
on the size of your data. Perhaps something like that should be there
for emergencies, but arguably rotating a MDEK would the the equivalent
of a logical restore to another cluster.
>
> After more thoughts, it's a just idea but I wonder if the first
> implementation step of TDE for v13 could be key management module.
> That is, (in 3-tier case) PostgreSQL gets KEK by passphrase command or
> directly, and creates MDEK. User can create an encryption key with
> name using by SQL function, and the key manager derives DEK and store
> its salt to the disk. Also we have an internal interface to get an
> encryption key.
>
> The good point is not only to develop incrementally but also that if
> PostgreSQL is able to manage (symmetric) encryption keys inside
> database cluster and has interfaces to get and add keys, pgcrypt also
> will be able to use it. That way, we will provide column-level TDE
> first by combination of pgcrypt, triggers and views while keeping
> encryption keys truly secret. After that we can add other level TDE
> using the key management module. We would then be able to focus on how
> to encrypt buffer and WAL.
I think it is a logical starting point to get the key management module
into place, as the rest of the systems to build out from there. That is
how I built my (poor) prototype :)
Given you can already get column level encryption with pgcrypto with
external key management, my suggestion is to spend the effort getting
the TDE architecture nailed down.
(I would also be -1 for making the MDEK available to the user in any way
other than it sitting in the encrypted storage file where it is wrapped.
If they wish to unwrap the MDEK from there with the KEK, that would be
their choice.)
I also want to thank everyone for their efforts on the thread. It has
been a lot to follow to date (and I am sure there will be plenty more to
come), but it speaks to the excitement of wanting to get these features
into PostgreSQL and do it well :)
Jonathan
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