Re: GUID for postgreSQL

From: Ben <bench(at)silentmedia(dot)com>
To: Scott Marlowe <smarlowe(at)g2switchworks(dot)com>
Cc: John DeSoi <desoi(at)pgedit(dot)com>, Tino Wildenhain <tino(at)wildenhain(dot)de>, Riaan van der Westhuizen <riaan(at)huizensoft(dot)co(dot)za>, Postgresql-General <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: GUID for postgreSQL
Date: 2005-07-27 20:58:18
Message-ID: Pine.LNX.4.44.0507271354420.21557-100000@localhost.localdomain
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Yes, this is the problem with GUIDs... you can calculate them by mashing
toghether things like the time, a network address, and some random
numbers, which makes it very unlikely for a collision.... but at the end
of the day that G stand for global, *not* guaranteed.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Scott Marlowe wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 15:32, John DeSoi wrote:
> > On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:49 AM, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> >
> > > I'd create a sequence:
> > >
> > > CREATE SEQUENCE global_unique_id_seq;
> > >
> > > and a function:
> > >
> > > CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION newid()
> > > RETURNS text AS
> > > $BODY$ SELECT nextval('global_unique_id_seq')::text; $BODY$
> > > LANGUAGE 'sql' VOLATILE;
> > >
> > >
> > > now every call to newid() returns a garantied unique id for
> > > say the next 18446744073709551616 calls.
> > > Of course you can obfuscate the ID even more using
> > > md5, include servername and so on, but this will not improve
> > > security in any way (unless you mix data with 2nd database)
> >
> >
> > This is not really a viable replacement for a GUID == globally unique
> > identifier. Here global means that if I use the application in
> > multiple databases, I'm guaranteed that no two identifiers will be
> > the same. Using a sequence will only support uniqueness for a single
> > database.
>
> So, how can two databases, not currently talking to one another,
> guarantee that their GUIDs don't collide? using a large randomly
> generated name space only reduces the chances of collision, it doesn't
> actually guarantee it.
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