Re: [OpenFTS-general] AW: tsearch2, ispell, utf-8 and

Markus,

I was not quite correct - different dictionaries hanlde stop words in
different way ! Stemmers checked before, while ispell - after normalization.
So, in your case, you need 'eint' listed in stop word list.

Oleg

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Markus Wollny wrote:

> Hi!
>
> ts2test=# select * from ts_debug('Jeden Tag wird man ein bisschen weiser');
> ts_name | tok_type | description | token | dict_name | tsvector
> ----------------+----------+-------------+----------+-------------+------------
> default_german | lword | Latin word | Jeden | {de_ispell} |
> default_german | lword | Latin word | Tag | {de_ispell} | 'tag'
> default_german | lword | Latin word | wird | {de_ispell} |
> default_german | lword | Latin word | man | {de_ispell} |
> default_german | lword | Latin word | ein | {de_ispell} | 'eint'
> default_german | lword | Latin word | bisschen | {de_ispell} | 'bisschen'
> default_german | lword | Latin word | weiser | {de_ispell} | 'weise'
> (7 rows)
>
> cat german.stop|grep ^ein$
> ein
>
> 'jeden', 'man', 'wird' and 'ein' are all in german.stop; the first three words are correctly recognozed as stopwords, whereas the last one is converted to 'eint', although 'ein' is a stopword, too. I still don't understand what exactly is happening and if I should be concerned by that sort of "wrong guess" - so 'ein' is just converted to 'eint' every time, no matter if it's in the stopwords-file or not, but on the other hand, as this applies to to_tsvector(), to_tsquery() and lexize(), this behaviour would be consitant throughout tsearch2 - thus making any search containing 'ein' a little bit fuzzier, but nonetheless still usable. It's still some sort of cosmetic bug, though, but I guess that's probably due to German being somewhat less IT-friendly than english.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Markus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg Bartunov [mailto:oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su]
> Sent: Wed 7/21/2004 22:24
> To: Markus Wollny
> Cc: pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org; openfts-general(at)lists(dot)sourceforge(dot)net
> Subject: Re: AW: [OpenFTS-general] AW: [GENERAL] tsearch2, ispell, utf-8 and german special characters
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Markus Wollny wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: openfts-general-admin(at)lists(dot)sourceforge(dot)net
> > > [mailto:openfts-general-admin(at)lists(dot)sourceforge(dot)net] Im
> > > Auftrag von Markus Wollny
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2004 17:04
> > > An: Oleg Bartunov
> > > Cc: pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org;
> > > openfts-general(at)lists(dot)sourceforge(dot)net
> > > Betreff: [OpenFTS-general] AW: [GENERAL] tsearch2, ispell,
> > > utf-8 and german special characters
> >
> > > The issue with the unrecognized stop-word 'ein' which is
> > > converted by to_tsvector to 'eint' remains however. Now
> > > here's as much detail as I can provide:
> > >
> > > Ispell is Version 3.1.20 10/10/95, patch 1.
> >
> > I've just upgraded Ispell to the latest version (International Ispell Version 3.2.06 08/01/01), but that didn't help; by now I think it might be something to do with a german language peculiarity or with something in the german dictionary. In german.med, there is an entry
>
> ispell itself don't used in tsearch2, only dict,aff files !
>
> >
> > eint/EGPVWX
> >
> > So the ts_vector output is just a bit like a wrong guess. Doesn't it evaluate the stopword-list first before doing the lookup in the Ispell-dictionary?
>
> yes. There is very usefull function for debugging I always recommend to use -
> ts_debug. See my notes (http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/oddmuse/index.cgi/Tsearch_V2_Notes)
> for examples.
>
>
>
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Markus Wollny
> >
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> Regards,
> Oleg
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Regards,
Oleg
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