Re: [PASCAL-advocacy] [PASCAL-www] Alternate PostgreSQL.org Design

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Treat [mailto:xzilla(at)users(dot)sourceforge(dot)net]
> Sent: 13 November 2004 05:44
> To: Gavin M. Roy
> Cc: Dave Page; Bruce Momjian; Alexey Borzov; Josh Berkus;
> pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org; Omar Kilani; pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
> Subject: Re: [PASCAL-advocacy] [PASCAL-www] Alternate
> PostgreSQL.org Design
>
> Gavin, you are on the -www list aren't you? It's been posted
> there many times.
> Just in case not, it's at http://wwwdevel.postgresql.org/todo

It was posted with some other URLs you might find useful earlier in this
very thread :-)

Web CVS: http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pgweb/cvs/cvs.php/portal
Commiter list: http://gborg.postgresql.org/pipermail/pgweb-commits/

> > Alexey posted a tarball of his source, but after my last
> contribution
> > via email to the current Lucaz design went completely
> unnoticed and
> > didnt even receive a no-thanks, we'd rather keep it the way
> it is, I'm
> > a bit out of the loop on what it takes to actually get
> something done.
>
> Huh? IIRC the last patch I saw you send in was applied by
> Dave a couple days later?

Wrong Gavin! I don't recall seeing anything from you, Gavin (M Roy). Can
you resend it please - maybe my spam filters were bored that day.

> > >I realise I'm probably one of the people you accuse of
> being rude and
> > >shooting down ideas (and if I have been rude to anyone,
> please excuse
> > >me
> >
> > To be honest, I can only come up with a few people off hand and you
> > werent one of them Dave ;). That's not to say.. well never mind.

I'm not entirely sure how to take that!

> This is generally true only if it is a rehash of something we
> have been over dozens of times. Kind of like when people
> pop-up on -hackers and say "I'm ready to start coding up a
> threaded back-end, which files should I be looking
> at"

Wow, that's exactly the analagy I was going to use`

> Otherwise my experience has been more of people asking
> what they can
> do to help and us responding with "look at the todo/look at
> the portal code"
> and then people either disappear or people point out they
> were hoping to implement some CMS or other radical whizbang
> code and then they disappear after we we don't get
> enthusiastic about it.

That's almost precisely my view of the situation.

> You have to realize that this is at least the 5th design we
> have seen for the new site, none of which get us any closer
> to getting the new site launched if for no other reason that
> each of these designs seems to spur another round of website
> flaming. Also, for the record, I ask the tinysofa people if
> they would be interested in submitting some updated banners
> and/or buttons for our propaganda page and got no response.
> That's another example of us trying to find ways for people
> to get involved and people not bothering when it's not on
> their personal agenda.

Would they still want to do it if there was no link to their website at
the bottom of each page? Incidently, Lukasz' design didn't originally
have such a link. We suggested he put one there by way of thanks.

Just a thought...

Regards, Dave.