Re: Three weeks left until feature freeze

On 13-Jul-06, at 9:29 AM, Jonah H. Harris wrote:

> On 7/12/06, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>> > I don't really think anyone would want to run both, but
>> > that's just my opinion.
>>
>> On what grounds do you not think that?
>
> Too much Java overhead on one database and PL/J isn't that stable.
> I've run into several crash problems with it before.
>
>> PL/J uses an external JVM, PL/Java one that is running in the
>> backend process. (Or maybe it was the other way 'round, I'm too
>> tired to remember tonight.)
>
> While tired, you're still correct :)
>
>> That's a really fundamental difference that makes them suited for
>> very different
>> applications; not to mention the resulting different licensing
>> scenarios.
>
> Not really, both require a JVM so the same licensing still applies.
>
>> The points that have been made in this thread about PL/J not being
>> actively maintained are important, but other than that objection,
>> I can see no reason that PL/J wouldn't have an equal claim to
>> inclusion
>> in core.
>
> I'm being objective here, and PL/J is not nearly as stable or
> well-maintained... that means a lot to me or to anyone who looks at
> using a Java PL.
Doesn't EDB sponsor pl/java ? I would think that might make you
somewhat subjective ?

That being said, pl-j is not as mature as pl/java, however I don't
believe that is a valid reason for exclusion.
Open source projects by their nature gain maturity by exposure.

> Do we intend to ship both and say that one is less
> capable? Have you used either of them? Don't get me wrong, I like
> PL/J in concept... but it's just not even close to production-ready
> yet. I know of no one using PL/J in production and about 40 or so
> people using PL/Java.
>
>> Perhaps more, because it gives us an extra layer of insulation
>> from JVM licensing questions.
>
> Again, I don't believe so. I'd like to hear how Dave thinks so,
> though.

I didn't say this
>
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