From: | Arthur Silva <arthurprs(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Mark Kirkwood <mark(dot)kirkwood(at)catalyst(dot)net(dot)nz> |
Cc: | Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Torsten Zuehlsdorff <mailinglists(at)toco-domains(dot)de>, Jaime Casanova <jaime(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)heroku(dot)com>, Mark Cave-Ayland <mark(dot)cave-ayland(at)ilande(dot)co(dot)uk>, Craig Ringer <craig(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Commitfest problems |
Date: | 2014-12-19 17:04:40 |
Message-ID: | CAO_YK0UCf74pTsoA8vUBxNBZdcq18qQiCj84hbaU2Cnpt2hDHQ@mail.gmail.com |
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Mark Kirkwood <
mark(dot)kirkwood(at)catalyst(dot)net(dot)nz> wrote:
> On 19/12/14 20:48, Andres Freund wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-18 10:02:25 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>
>>> I think a lot of hackers forget exactly how tender their egos are. Now I
>>> say
>>> this knowing that a lot of them will go, "Oh give me a break" but as
>>> someone
>>> who employs hackers, deals with open source AND normal people :P every
>>> single day, I can tell you without a single inch of sarcasm that petting
>>> egos is one of the ways you get things done in the open source (and
>>> really
>>> any male dominated) community.
>>>
>>
>> To me that's a bit over the top stereotyping.
>>
>>
> +1
>
> Having been mentioned one or two times myself - it was an unexpected "wow
> - cool" rather than a grumpy/fragile "I must be noticed" thing. I think
> some folk have forgotten the underlying principle of the open source
> community - it is about freely giving - time or code etc. The "there must
> be something in it for me me me" meme is - well - the *other* world view.
>
> However, doing crappy work and let's not be shy about it, there is NOTHING
>>> fun about reviewing someone else's code needs to have incentive.
>>>
>>
>> FWIW, I don't agree with this at all. Reviewing code can be quite
>> interesting - with the one constraint that the problem the patch solves
>> needs to be somewhat interesting. The latter is what I think gets many
>> of the more experienced reviewers - lots of the patches just solve stuff
>> they don't care about.
>>
>>
> Yeah, and also it helps if the patch addresses an area that you at least
> know *something* about - otherwise it is really hard to review in any
> useful way.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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I'm trying to follow this thread as much as I could but I could've missed a
part of it.
Merit/credits aside what would really help Postgres right now is a more
streamlined/modern (the only words I could come up with) development
process.
Using the mailing list for everything is alright, it works. But there is
lot of tools that could be used along it:
gerrit/gitlab/github/bitbucket/jira and other tools that do: pull requests,
code review and bugs (or any combination of them).
That'd reduce friction for new contributors and further development. These
tools are being used everywhere and I find hard to believe that PG can't
benefit from any of them.
--
Arthur Silva
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