From: | Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)heroku(dot)com> |
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To: | Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> |
Cc: | Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Clock sweep not caching enough B-Tree leaf pages? |
Date: | 2014-04-16 09:57:54 |
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
> *I* don't think any scheme that involves measuring the time around
> buffer pins is going to be acceptable. It's better than I say that now
> rather than when you've invested significant time into the approach, no?
Well, I do think that it will be possible to make something like that
work. LRU-K/LRU-2 involves remembering the last two access times (not
the last one). Researchers considered preeminent authorities on
caching algorithms thought that was a good idea in 1993. There are
plenty of other examples of similar schemes too.
>> No, it shouldn't, because there is a notion of buffers getting a fair
>> chance to prove themselves.
>
> If you have a workload with > (BM_MAX_USAGE_COUNT + 1) clock
> cycles/second, how does *any* buffer has a chance to prove itself?
There could be lots of ways. I thought about representing that more
directly. I don't think that it's useful to have a large number of
revolutions in search of a victim under any circumstances.
Fundamentally, you're asking "what if any scheme here leans too
heavily towards frequency?". That could certainly be a problem, as
I've said, and we could think about adaptation over heuristics, as
I've said, but it is very obviously a big problem that clock sweep
doesn't really care about frequency one bit right now.
Why should I be the one with all the answers? Aren't you interested in
the significance of the patch, and the test case?
--
Peter Geoghegan
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