Re: IDPUG Registration on PostgreSQL Website

Hi Stephen, Jonathan,

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net> wrote:

> Jonathan, Lucky,
>
> * Jonathan S. Katz (jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org) wrote:
> > > On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Lucky Haryadi <lucky(at)equnix(dot)asia> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan S. Katz <
> jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org <mailto:jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org>> wrote:
> > >> On Dec 28, 2017, at 11:34 PM, Lucky Haryadi <lucky(at)equnix(dot)asia
> <mailto:lucky(at)equnix(dot)asia>> wrote:
> > >> I would like to inform that Indonesia has already had a PostgreSQL
> User Group, called IDPUG.
> > >> We already have 4 community events, held since 2016, as you can see
> on our Meetup website
> > >>
> > >> https://www.meetup.com/Indonesia-PostgreSQL/ <https://www.meetup.com/
> Indonesia-PostgreSQL/>
> > >>
> > >> Most of people in IDPUG are enterprises users, implementors,
> students, and developers who use PostgreSQL in Indonesia.
> > >> We want to register IDPUG to postgresql.org <http://postgresql.org/>
> website for Local User Group.
> > >> Please tell us if there are some requirements to be fulfilled to
> register the user group.
> > >
> > > That is exciting news! I have added IDPUG to the user groups [
> https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ <
> https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/>] page.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for attaching IDPUG on the website :)
> > > And we would like to update the website link to be directed to
> www.postgresql.or.id <http://www.postgresql.or.id/>.
> >
> > I looked at this page and it looks more like a sales portal than a user
> group community page. While it does contain some compelling facts about
> PostgreSQL and has some very good reasons to use it, there are a few things
> that do not appear to adhere to the spirit of the community:
> >
> > * It is unclear that this is a site for IDPUG - IDPUG is not even
> mentioned until the footer of the page, which takes awhile to scroll to
>
> The first link is to .Org and the second link is to meetup.com for the
> IDPUG, so I'm not sure it's quite that bad.
>
> > * There is very strong marketing copy at the bottom soliciting
> user info to connect to a sales team, i.e. “Get a quotation”
>
> I tend to agree that this isn't really appropriate for a PUG listing.
>
> I see, thanks for you input. We indeed intend to update the website to
have more "community-friendly" contents.
It's okay with the Meetup website for now. When we done with content update
of the website, then I'll try to re-submit again.

> I’m happy for someone to chime in and disagree with me, but I would not
> feel comfortable linking to this website from .org
>
> Linking to the meetup.com page, as you've done, seems like the right
> approach to me for now. Ideally, the webite at
> http://www.postgresql.or.id/ would be updated to be clearly more
> independent and in-line with the expectations of sites linked from
> .Org under the 'International Sites' section in the future, at which
> time it would make sense to add it there.
>
> Sure, got the main idea, will try to resubmit it later. Thanks for the
input, Stephen :)

> As discussed previously here, we should work to formalize just what
> those expectations are through a policy of some kind for international
> PostgreSQL sites, as we've started to now do for conferences and formal
> NPOs.
>
> To be clear, I agree with your overall assessment, as things stand
> today, Jonathan. At the same time, I do feel that Lucky and company
> have made a reasonably good effort to get things moving and we just need
> some relatively minor adjustments to bring it into line with what is
> expected of a .Org international site.
>
> Thanks for giving us the spirit! Really appreciate that :)

> Thanks!
>
> Stephen
>

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