From: | Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie> |
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To: | Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: should there be a hard-limit on the number of transactions pending undo? |
Date: | 2019-07-30 01:41:27 |
Message-ID: | CAH2-WznMpPgNT836fUY3UzfnDN3cCkroaoc-X4bwQLvPTx7kdw@mail.gmail.com |
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 2:52 PM Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> Thanks for sharing that. I see they're giving that paper at VLDB next
> month in LA... I hope the talk video will be published on the web.
> While we've been working on a hybrid vaccum/undo design, they've built
> a hybrid undo/vacuum system.
It seems that this will be in a stable release soon, so it's not
pie-in-the-sky stuff. AFAICT, they have indexes that always point to
the latest row version. Getting an old version always required working
backwards from the latest. Perhaps the constant time recovery stuff is
somewhat like Postgres heapam when it comes to SELECTs, INSERTs, and
DELETEs, but much less similar when it comes to UPDATEs. This seems
like it might be an important distinction.
As the MVCC survey paper out of CMU [1] from a couple of years back says:
"The main idea of using logical pointers is that the DBMS uses a fixed
identifier that does not change for each tuple in its index entry.
Then, as shown in Fig. 5a, the DBMS uses an indirection layer that
maps a tuple’s identifier to the HEAD of its version chain. This
avoids the problem of having to update all of a table’s indexes to
point to a new physical location whenever a tuple is modified. (even
if the indexed attributes were not changed)."
To me, this suggests that zheap ought to make heap TIDs "more logical"
than they are with heapam today (heap TIDs are hybrid physical/logical
identifiers today). "Row forwarding" across heap pages is the
traditional way of ensuring that TIDs in indexes are stable even in
the worst case, apparently, but other approaches also seem possible.
[1] http://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol10/p781-Wu.pdf
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Peter Geoghegan
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