Re: Vacuum ERRORs out considering freezing dead tuples from before OldestXmin

From: Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie>
To: Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
Cc: Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>
Subject: Re: Vacuum ERRORs out considering freezing dead tuples from before OldestXmin
Date: 2024-06-25 01:49:53
Message-ID: CAH2-Wzn7EqLndKP4pVtxd8QHvTa_Ev_gU=tELz-aaC3Q0yGuTA@mail.gmail.com
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 9:30 PM Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 03:23:39PM -0400, Melanie Plageman wrote:
> > Right now, in master, we do use a single horizon when determining what
> > is pruned -- that from GlobalVisState. OldestXmin is only used for
> > freezing and full page visibility determinations. Using a different
> > horizon for pruning by vacuum than freezing is what is causing the
> > error on master.
>
> Agreed, and I think using different sources for pruning and freezing is a
> recipe for future bugs. Fundamentally, both are about answering "is
> snapshot_considers_xid_in_progress(snapshot, xid) false for every snapshot?"
> That's not to say this thread shall unify the two, but I suspect that's the
> right long-term direction.

What does it really mean to unify the two, though?

If the OldestXmin field was located in struct GlobalVisState (next to
definitely_needed and maybe_needed), but everything worked in
essentially the same way as it will with Melanie's patch in place,
would that count as unifying the two? Why or why not?

--
Peter Geoghegan

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