From: | Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie> |
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To: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: better page-level checksums |
Date: | 2022-06-14 19:01:30 |
Message-ID: | CAH2-WzmrmBDV+970b_mR7qV+SC6=6iy4H3pCa8WKG+pk0K_OVg@mail.gmail.com |
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 11:52 AM Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> > Even within TDE, it might be okay to assume that it's a feature that
> > the user must commit to using for a whole cluster at initdb time. What
> > isn't okay is committing to that assumption now and forever, by
> > leaving the door open to a world in which that assumption no longer
> > holds. Like when you do finally get around to making TDE something
> > that can work at the relation level, for example. Even if there is
> > only a small chance of that ever happening, why wouldn't we be
> > prepared for it, just on general principle?
>
> To the extent that we can leave ourselves room to do new things in the
> future without incurring unreasonable costs in the present, I'm in
> favor of that, as I believe anyone would be. But as you say, a lot
> depends on the specifics. Theoretical flexibility that can only be
> used in practice by really slow code doesn't help anybody.
A tool like pg_filedump or a backup tool can easily afford this
overhead. The only cost that TDE has to pay for this added flexibility
is that it has to set one of the PD_* bits in a code path that is
already bound to be very expensive. What's so bad about that?
Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that you're pushing back on this
particular point. A nonce for TDE is just something that code in
places like bufpage.h ought to know about. It has to be negotiated at
that level, because it will in fact affect a lot of callers to the
bufpage.h functions.
--
Peter Geoghegan
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