Re: Certification

Hi Sameer, nice to meet you here...

Hi all..

That is why Certification should be done more neutral, and it is not self
claimed as EDB has done.
In emerging countries like in ASEAN, we should have common ground for all
person to evaluate their expertise, so they can deliver the service for
total customer satisfaction, that is why certification is quite high chazed
by many students, employee, and profesional. It is doesn't matter whether
the certification is highly quality, high regarded, or just a piece of
paper without proofing anything.

So that is why we should have something like Comittee or Institutional in
neutral way and keep / guard the test bank quite well.
Hands-On test is either not efficient as other also more expensive, but
conducting using multiple choices question (maintained quite well) with
random question and choices. will at least keeps the quality of the
certificate and keeping low in cost.

In ASEAN, we faced many request about usage of PostgreSQL in Enterprises
especially in replace of Expensive RDBMS, this raised of demand of course
need to be backed up by proffesional certification, as the easiest way of
the user to acknowlegde our expertise.

PostgreSQL has been using in many Enterprises, such as Banks, Telcos,
Payment gateways, etc then it is surely needs some common ground for users
to understand our expertise. (i emphasis this, especially in emerging
countries like Indonesia)

Regards,

Julyanto SUTANDANG

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Sameer Kumar <sameer(dot)kumar(at)ashnik(dot)com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:44 AM Jaime Casanova <
> jaime(dot)casanova(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> On 29 October 2015 at 08:52, Bob Lunney <bobl(at)aweber(dot)com> wrote:
>> > Ah, the old "certification" fallacy!
>> >
>>
>> while i agree a certification doesn't say much... i also know that
>> people is continously asking me for certified people or
>> certifications...
>>
>>
> Yes, I get similar request whenever we take up a new project. Because they
> think certified professionals can deliver a project very well. I don't
> blame them. Here in ASEAN (specially in Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand) I
> have seen botched-up implementation by self-claimed experts/freelancer for
> PostgreSQL. Or cases where application team has taken up the task of
> PostgreSQL deployment as well (for few extra $$) and ended up screwing it
> up. As PostgreSQL is open source and 'free' it is quite 'open-ended' and
> 'free' for someone to claim themselves as an expert. I have seen
> implementations which were tuned reading some blog-post or a list of "10
> parameters to tune in PostgreSQL" (example - on a 16GB server
> max_connections set to 200 and work_mem set to 1GB). This is where
> certification can streamline a bit but any certification has to be backed
> by a training. This where I see a value add by EDB. That is why I see that
> EDB certifications are picking up in ASEAN and people take proud on saying
> that they are certified on PostgreSQL. All this involves cost and effort
> (which I believe was pointed out by few others).
>
>
> >
>> > However, for those who live in that sad world where certifications are
>> a minimum entry level requirement, a certification created by community
>> consensus makes sense, so long as the criteria for certification are open
>> and public.
>> >
>>
>> ah! you mean like me? yeah, it make sense in this isolated part of the
>> world :)
>>
>>
> Earlier someone mentioned about the non-popularity of EDB certification in
> ASEAN. I am not sure of history, but in recent past (24-30months time) we
> have seen a lot of people taking up EDB's PostgreSQL training and
> certification. This has gone hand-in-hand with higher adoption of
> PostgreSQL and EDB in ASEAN. And as more organisation take up PosgreSQL
> more people will take up certification exams. Even professional look up to
> certification as a value add in their resume and so certification authority
> should really check their merit before awarding it.
> Also I have seen cases of large BFSI and telecom segment customers where
> they want to make sure that they have certified staff before promoting a
> new technology to be used for critical system. This is again where I have
> seen learning path/training and certification plays an important role.
>
> I feel while certifications are really important both to back the adoption
> and also to promote more adoption, it has to be backed by a proper training
> or learning path. At the same time a lot of effort has to be spent in
> maintaining the level of scrutiny of skills.
>
>
> *Disclaimer:* My employer is a training partner and master partner to EDB
> and I am myself a certified trainer. My opinion is my own but is based on
> the experience of delivering training to about 150-200 candidates during
> more than 15 training sessions in last 2-2.5 years of time.
>
>
>> --
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>>
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