From: | Claudio Freire <klaussfreire(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | fabriziomello(at)gmail(dot)com |
Cc: | Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri(at)2ndquadrant(dot)fr>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: DDL Damage Assessment |
Date: | 2014-10-02 16:49:36 |
Message-ID: | CAGTBQpbQnyFU6mKQnZC2qYVD5=ax0GfMenSXvnJ3nRey44Sizg@mail.gmail.com |
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On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Fabrízio de Royes Mello
<fabriziomello(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri(at)2ndquadrant(dot)fr>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi fellow hackers,
>>
>> I would like to work on a new feature allowing our users to assess the
>> amount of trouble they will run into when running a DDL script on their
>> production setups, *before* actually getting their services down.
>>
>> The main practical example I can offer here is the ALTER TABLE command.
>> Recent releases are including very nice optimisations to it, so much so
>> that it's becoming increasingly hard to answer some very basic
>> questions:
>>
>> - what kind of locks will be taken? (exclusive, shared)
>> - on what objects? (foreign keys, indexes, sequences, etc)
>> - will the table have to be rewritten? the indexes?
>>
>> Of course the docs are answering parts of those, but in particular the
>> table rewriting rules are complex enough that “accidental DBAs” will
>> fail to predict if the target data type is binary coercible to the
>> current one.
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1. Do you agree that a systematic way to report what a DDL command (or
>> script, or transaction) is going to do on your production database
>> is a feature we should provide to our growing user base?
>>
>> 2. What do you think such a feature should look like?
>>
>> 3. Does it make sense to support the whole set of DDL commands from the
>> get go (or ever) when most of them are only taking locks in their
>> own pg_catalog entry anyway?
>>
>> Provided that we are able to converge towards a common enough answer to
>> those questions, I propose to hack my way around and send patches to
>> have it (the common answer) available in the next PostgreSQL release.
>>
>
> What you are proposing is some kind of "dry-run" with verbose output?
EXPLAIN ALTER TABLE ?
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