Re: Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)

> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
of comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability,
physical appearance,
body size or race.

why not

> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
of ad hominem. (Tip: Ask your self "Would I make this same comment if my
best friend or parent stated what I was replying to" if you're unsure.)

The tip being optional, of course :-p I don't see why we need to limit
comments like in the original: that's not the point! The point is that
people shouldn't be attacked!

Moreover,

> 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is
purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more
interested in being a victim than moving forward.

is very harsh. It definitely needs to be rephrased or built on. What is
the point of this, by the way? If we state that personal attacks are
unbecoming of a member of this group, then does it matter if I'm offended
when someone says we should have a table that lacks 1-M 1-F constraints for
marriage? It's not an attack and trying to clarify the differences between
being offended because of an attack on me or just in general might make
things too awkward to write.

Jim

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:15 PM, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) <
farjad(dot)farid(at)checknetworks(dot)com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Joshua for creating this list. Great starting point and hopefully
> points to focus on to conclude this thread.
>
> Here are my humble comments on them.
>
> I think point two is already covered by respecting other people's opinion.
> At times specially over email ,where we don't see others reactions , people
> can unintentionally be more confrontational than normal. Therefore it is
> not just the recipient.
>
> Perhaps Point 3 should read "free from".
>
> Thanks again Joshua.
>
> Best Regards
>
>
> Farjad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com]
> Sent: 11 January 2016 22:00
> To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe'
> Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
>
> Hello,
>
> Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
>
> PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
>
> 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing a
> safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is
> willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and collaborative
> way.
>
> 2. The CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is
> purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more
> interested in being a victim than moving forward.
>
> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
> comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
> appearance, body size or race.
>
> 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists, IRC
> etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation of the
> CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee.
>
> 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your
> private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own.
>
> 6. The CoC is not about Social Justice.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> JD
>
>
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