Re: PL/pgSQL PERFORM with CTE

From: Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Cc: "David E(dot) Wheeler" <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com>, Marko Tiikkaja <marko(at)joh(dot)to>, Jan Wieck <JanWieck(at)yahoo(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PL/pgSQL PERFORM with CTE
Date: 2013-08-29 21:50:16
Message-ID: CAFj8pRAMmFL8=9q=-AvANkKoyTVomX3yvoqhKuSxw_ad-g-oEw@mail.gmail.com
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2013/8/29 Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>

> On 08/29/2013 02:22 PM, Pavel Stehule wrote:
> > Still I don't think so correct solution is enabling a unbound SELECTs,
> but
> > correct is a fix a PERFORM and remove a necessity to use a PERFORM for
> call
> > of VOID functions.
>
> You have yet to supply any arguments which support this position.
>
> Several people have pointed out that requiring PERFORM needlessly makes
> life hard for PL/pgSQL programmers, especially new ones. You have not
> given us any benefit it supplies in return.
>
> And no, I don't accept the idea that we might someday have some kind of
> conflicting syntax for stored procedures which nobody is working on as a
> valid argument.
>

The more stronger argument is not allow a useless execution.

PL/pgSQL is a verbose language and it is based on very strict ADA language
- a few a secure mechanism we dropped (and some from good reasons).

So questions is - how much we would to go against a ADA ideas and PL/SQL
rules.

No think so PERFORM is a significant problem. A mayor problem for beginners
is usually a fact, so PL/pgSQL is ALGOL like languages - and they don't
know with these languages. Second problem is missing a more dynamic data
structures. Next a really different syntax and usage of OUT variables, ...

Regards

Pavel

>
> --
> Josh Berkus
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