Re: Is Recovery actually paused?

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Dilip Kumar <dilipbalaut(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 8:12 AM, Yugo NAGATA <nagata(at)sraoss(dot)co(dot)jp> wrote:
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>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:33:52 +0530
>> Dilip Kumar <dilipbalaut(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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>> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 6:49 PM Yugo NAGATA <nagata(at)sraoss(dot)co(dot)jp> wrote:
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>> > > On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:49:43 +0530
>> > > Dilip Kumar <dilipbalaut(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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>> > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:35 PM Dilip Kumar <dilipbalaut(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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>> > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:27 PM Yugo NAGATA <nagata(at)sraoss(dot)co(dot)jp> wrote:
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>> > > > > > On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:25:23 +0530
>> > > > > > Dilip Kumar <dilipbalaut(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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>> > > > > > > > > However, I wonder users don't expect pg_is_wal_replay_paused to wait.
>> > > > > > > > > Especially, if max_standby_streaming_delay is -1, this will be blocked forever,
>> > > > > > > > > although this setting may not be usual. In addition, some users may set
>> > > > > > > > > recovery_min_apply_delay for a large. If such users call pg_is_wal_replay_paused,
>> > > > > > > > > it could wait for a long time.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > At least, I think we need some descriptions on document to explain
>> > > > > > > > > pg_is_wal_replay_paused could wait while a time.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Ok
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Fixed this, added some comments in .sgml as well as in function header
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thank you for fixing this.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Also, is it better to fix the description of pg_wal_replay_pause from
>> > > > > > "Pauses recovery." to "Request to pause recovery." in according with
>> > > > > > pg_is_wal_replay_paused?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Okay
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Also, how about adding a new boolean argument to pg_is_wal_replay_paused to
>> > > > > > > > > control whether this waits for recovery to get paused or not? By setting its
>> > > > > > > > > default value to true or false, users can use the old format for calling this
>> > > > > > > > > and the backward compatibility can be maintained.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > So basically, if the wait_recovery_pause flag is false then we will
>> > > > > > > > immediately return true if the pause is requested? I agree that it is
>> > > > > > > > good to have an API to know whether the recovery pause is requested or
>> > > > > > > > not but I am not sure is it good idea to make this API serve both the
>> > > > > > > > purpose? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I think the current pg_is_wal_replay_paused() already has another purpose;
>> > > > > > this waits recovery to actually get paused. If we want to limit this API's
>> > > > > > purpose only to return the pause state, it seems better to fix this to return
>> > > > > > the actual state at the cost of lacking the backward compatibility. If we want
>> > > > > > to know whether pause is requested, we may add a new API like
>> > > > > > pg_is_wal_replay_paluse_requeseted(). Also, if we want to wait recovery to actually
>> > > > > > get paused, we may add an option to pg_wal_replay_pause() for this purpose.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > However, this might be a bikeshedding. If anyone don't care that
>> > > > > > pg_is_wal_replay_paused() can make user wait for a long time, I don't care either.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't think that it will be blocked ever, because
>> > > > > pg_wal_replay_pause is sending the WakeupRecovery() which means the
>> > > > > recovery process will not be stuck on waiting for the WAL.
>> > >
>> > > Yes, there is no stuck on waiting for the WAL. However, it can be stuck during resolving
>> > > a recovery conflict. The process could wait for max_standby_streaming_delay or
>> > > max_standby_archive_delay at most before recovery get completely paused.
>> >
>> > Okay, I agree that it is possible so for handling this we have a
>> > couple of options
>> > 1. pg_is_wal_replay_paused(), interface will wait for recovery to
>> > actually get paused, but user have an option to cancel that. So I
>> > agree that there is currently no option to just know that recovery
>> > pause is requested without waiting for its actually get paused if it
>> > is requested. So one option is we can provide an another interface as
>> > you mentioned pg_is_wal_replay_paluse_requeseted(), which can just
>> > return the request status. I am not sure how useful it is.
>>
>> If it is acceptable that pg_is_wal_replay_paused() makes users wait,
>> I'm ok for the current interface. I don't feel the need of
>> pg_is_wal_replay_paluse_requeseted().
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>> >
>> > 2. Pass an option to pg_is_wal_replay_paused whether to wait for
>> > recovery to actually get paused or not.
>> >
>> > 3. Pass an option to pg_wal_replay_pause(), whether to wait for
>> > recovery pause or just request and return.
>> >
>> > I like the option 1, any other opinion on this?
>> >
>> > > Also, it could wait for recovery_min_apply_delay if it has a valid value. It is possible
>> > > that a user set this parameter to a large value, so it could wait for a long time. However,
>> > > this will be avoided by calling recoveryPausesHere() or CheckAndSetRecoveryPause() in
>> > > recoveryApplyDelay().
>> >
>> > Right
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>> Is there any reason not to do it?
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> I think I missed that.. I will do in the next version
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In the last patch there were some local changes which I did not add to
the patch and it was giving compilation warning so fixed that along
with that I have addressed your this comment as well.

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Dilip Kumar
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