From: | deavid <deavidsedice(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Gavin Flower <GavinFlower(at)archidevsys(dot)co(dot)nz>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org |
Subject: | Re: Is it possible to have a "fast-write" Index? |
Date: | 2015-06-05 23:54:01 |
Message-ID: | CAFR-75s9EWP9DOiZ_pE6=kaMwDQAN+k-p1StR+Qn2XB9z4N7Xg@mail.gmail.com |
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Thanks to everybody for answering. I wasn't expecting this attention; this
is a great community :-)
Jim asked me about something real. Well, the problem is this showed up more
than five years ago, and keeps popping from time to time since in different
circumstances. I solved them in different ways each time, depending the
exact use-case. I wanted to generalize, because seems a good feature for
several situations; and I don't expect a solution for me as each time I hit
with this I found some way to sort it out.
As Jim said, we need here are figures for real examples, and i don't have
yet. I'll do my "homework" and email back with exact problems with exact
timing. Give me a week or two.
Also, some of you are talking about IO. Well, it's hard to say without the
figures here, but I'm pretty sure I'm hitting CPU time only. We use SSD on
those big databases, and also in my tests i tried setting fsync=off.
So the problem is: i see a low iowait, and CPU time for one core is at
80-90% most of the time. I can buy more ram, better disks, or cpu's with
more cores. But one cpu core would have more-or-less the same speed no
matter how much money you invest.
When someone wants a delayed-write index is similar to setting
"synchronous_commit = off". We want to give an OK to the backend as soon
as is possible and do this work in background. But we also want some
reliability against crashes.
Also, if the task is done in background it may be done from other backend,
so probably several indexes could be packed at once using different backend
processes. We could use the entire cpu if our index writes aren't tied to
the session who wrote the row.
PD: I'm very interested on existent approaches like GIN or BRIN (this one
is new to me). Thanks a lot; i'll try them in my tests.
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