Re: Appreciation for pgAdmin 4's progress

I always have one hand at the mouse and one at the keyboard, once I select
stuff with the mouse, I hit cntrl+c with the other hand, it's a lot
quicker. At least if you don't have any disabilities or are left handed,
ctrl+c is at the bottom right corner, where my left hand already rests.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 14:49 richard coleman <rcoleman(dot)ascentgl(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:

> I concur. Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V is basically muscle memory at this point.
> Unfortunately though there are times when it's particularly jarring.
> Selecting things are done in pgAdmin4 with the mouse/track ball/etc. so
> your hand is already off the keyboard. So for example; you select an sql
> statement to copy/paste/make a small change/run a process I do all the time
> in pgAdmin4. Select->right-click->grumble about *useless options*->Ctrl-C->move
> to another area with mouse->Ctrl-V.
>
> It seems especially strange since if you select a cell in the results pane
> the copy / paste options are in *that* context menu.
>
> Question: Why would a*nyone* ever want to 'Remove Panel', 'Detach
> Panel', or 'Add Panel' (the only options in the current query tool context
> menu)?
>
> - You can't move them outside of the tab and only within a of a
> smallish portion of the current tab.
> - You can't reattach them, so trying to use that option to rearrange
> them doesn't work.
> - The only way to *fix* it, if you've accidentally selected it is the *nuclear
> *option of 'Reset Layout'.
>
> There are just certain items that people *expect* in a context menu,
> especially one that's associated with a text editor. *None* of them
> currently exist in the context menu of the query tool. It would be *nice* if
> that could be addressed, sooner as opposed to later.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rik.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 12:26 PM Dave Caughey <caugheyd(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> Correct. But the absence of support in the context menu is a basic UI
>> usability issue. Instead we only have "remove panel", "detach panel", "add
>> panel".
>>
>> Context menus are an essential usability feature. A context menu is
>> intended to allow the user to quickly access the basic operations that
>> apply to whatever is clicked on / selected (i.e., the "context"), and the
>> menu items should be biased towards very commonly used actions (e.g., e.g.,
>> copy/paste, new, etc.). The most frequently used should be situated near
>> the top of the context menu to minimize the mouse movement required to get
>> to the desired operation. Less frequently-used stuff should be buried in
>> submenus because the usability hit required to get to these uncommon
>> operations is a big deal, compared with making it easier to get to the
>> common operations.
>>
>> I totally understand that you don't think it's a big issue because
>> (clearly) you're happy to use keyboard shortcuts. But that's that way you
>> prefer to work. But many (most?) people rely on context menus, and it's
>> just an unnecessary usability irritant when the stuff that you expect to
>> find in a context menu is missing (e.g., #4229) or when the context menu
>> hasn't had any thought given to the relative frequency of the operations
>> (e.g., right-click on a table in the navigation pane, and you'll see
>> less-frequently used operations like "Reset Statistics", "Drop Cascaded",
>> "Maintenance", all above the super-common operations that are buried under
>> "View/Edit Data..." way down at the bottom of the context menu. I.e., the
>> table context menu is just about as far from optimal as possible!)
>>
>> Is the absence/presence and thoughtful layout of context items a major
>> functionality gap? No. But is it a *completely unnecessary* every-day
>> usability irritant? Yes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:52 AM Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:45 PM Dave Caughey <caugheyd(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, it doesn't work. It's logged as #4229. It would be *really* nice
>>>> if this were fixed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 4229 is about adding a context menu for it. It works without though -
>>> just use Ctrl/Cmd+C and Ctrl/Cmd+V. You can copy query text, cell values,
>>> entire rows, or sets of rows.
>>>
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>>