| From: | Corey Huinker <corey(dot)huinker(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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| To: | Robert Treat <rob(at)xzilla(dot)net> |
| Cc: | Jeff Davis <pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, jian he <jian(dot)universality(at)gmail(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres(at)gmail(dot)com>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh(dot)bapat(dot)oss(at)gmail(dot)com>, Peter Smith <smithpb2250(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org |
| Subject: | Re: Statistics Import and Export |
| Date: | 2025-03-08 19:09:51 |
| Message-ID: | CADkLM=co6ZGujV340_n9-4NDviYxT_HLvPQBbfoZnO41kR1nRg@mail.gmail.com |
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>
> Until we add a fourth option, and then it becomes completely ambiguous as
>> to whether you wanted data+statstics, or you not-wanted schema.
>>
>>
> except it is perfectly clear that you *asked for* data and statistics, so
> you get what you asked for. however the user conjures in their heads what
> they are looking for, the logic is simple, you get what you asked for.
>
They *asked for* that because they didn't have the mechanism to say "hold
the mayo" or "everything except pickles". That's reducing their choice, and
then blaming them for their choice.
In the UX world, the general pattern is people start to get overwhelmed
> once you get over a 1/2 dozen options (I think that's based on Miller's
> law, but might be mis-remembering); we are already at 9 for this use case.
> So really it is quite the opposite, we'd be reducing the burden on
> customers by simplifying the interface rather than just throwing out every
> possible combination and saying "you figure it out".
>
Except that those options are easily grouped into families. I see that
there's a --no-comments flag, so why wouldn't there be a --no-statistics
flag? Lots of $thing have a --no-$thing. That's the established UX pattern
_working_. The user learned that pattern and we shouldn't punish them by
changing it for our own parsing convenience.
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