Re: What version of JUnit, again?

From: Dave Cramer <pg(at)fastcrypt(dot)com>
To: David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Sehrope Sarkuni <sehrope(at)jackdb(dot)com>, List <pgsql-jdbc(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: What version of JUnit, again?
Date: 2014-08-04 04:08:48
Message-ID: CADK3HHK9NP4RPyb22O6iQF_-G890zt6W4fp2=hb6+C+AENx4Zg@mail.gmail.com
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there is another project https://github.com/pgjdbc/www

Thanks,

Dave

Dave Cramer

dave.cramer(at)credativ(dot)ca
http://www.credativ.ca

On 3 August 2014 22:17, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:

> Done.
>
> I've no idea how to change this web page, however:
>
> http://jdbc.postgresql.org/development/development.html
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Dave Cramer <pg(at)fastcrypt(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> Pull requests are welcome!
>>
>> Dave Cramer
>>
>> dave.cramer(at)credativ(dot)ca
>> http://www.credativ.ca
>>
>>
>> On 3 August 2014 21:36, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that's confusing to me also as AFAIK at no time have I ever set a
>>> CLASSPATH environment variable. But, no matter. That worked.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that the pgjdbc build.xml file and/or the compilation
>>> docs need a little spruced up? Not that it's a big deal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Sehrope Sarkuni <sehrope(at)jackdb(dot)com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that might be ant not respecting the CLASSPATH environment
>>>> variable. You might have to specify it explicitly when you run ant
>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> Try running it like this:
>>>>
>>>> $ ant -lib lib:/usr/share/java/junit4.jar test
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sehrope Sarkuni
>>>> Founder & CEO | JackDB, Inc. | http://www.jackdb.com/
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Spoke too soon. That produced a different error with your test (see
>>>> below).
>>>> >
>>>> > Testsuite: org.postgresql.test.ssl.SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> > Tests run: 1, Failures: 0, Errors: 1, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 0 sec
>>>> >
>>>> > Null Test: Caused an ERROR
>>>> > junit/framework/JUnit4TestAdapterCache
>>>> > java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: junit/framework/JUnit4TestAdapterCache
>>>> > at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)
>>>> > at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:800)
>>>> > at
>>>> >
>>>> java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:449)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:71)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:361)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:355)
>>>> > at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:354)
>>>> > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:425)
>>>> > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:358)
>>>> > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
>>>> > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:190)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:366)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:355)
>>>> > at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>>>> > at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:354)
>>>> > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:425)
>>>> > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:358)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 5:55 PM, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Indeed. The JUnit4 jar seems to include the old-style JUnit
>>>> packages.
>>>> >> Since I also have JUnit4 in my Maven repository, then in the
>>>> build.xml file
>>>> >> for the pgjdbc project, I changed it to use JUnit version="4.0"
>>>> instead of
>>>> >> version="3.8.2" and it worked fine (see patch below).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> diff --git a/build.xml b/build.xml
>>>> >> index 9ce437d..956fb9c 100644
>>>> >> --- a/build.xml
>>>> >> +++ b/build.xml
>>>> >> @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@
>>>> >> </patternset>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <artifact:dependencies pathId="dependency.classpath"
>>>> useScope="test">
>>>> >> - <dependency groupId="junit" artifactId="junit" version="3.8.2"
>>>> >> scope="test"/>
>>>> >> + <dependency groupId="junit" artifactId="junit" version="4.0"
>>>> >> scope="test"/>
>>>> >> </artifact:dependencies>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <target name="check_versions">
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Sehrope Sarkuni <sehrope(at)jackdb(dot)com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The original unit tests use only junit 3.8.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I wrote the newer SSL tests for the SingleCertValidatingFactory to
>>>> use
>>>> >>> the newer version of junit (and using annotations etc) as the
>>>> expectation
>>>> >>> was that it's only included in a JDBC 4/JDK5+ environment.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'll see if I can dig up my local config for running it when I get
>>>> to my
>>>> >>> computer but I think I just used used the Ubuntu packages for junit
>>>> 4 and
>>>> >>> manually add them to the CLASSPATH env variable.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You should be able to run the original tests with just the newer
>>>> junit on
>>>> >>> the CLASSPATH.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You might also want to take a peek at:
>>>> >>> https://github.com/jackdb/pgjdbc-test-vm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It's what I originally used to test the SSL factory patches. It
>>>> sets up a
>>>> >>> bunch of PG servers in a VM with know SSL configurations and users
>>>> for
>>>> >>> testing. It can also be used for testing the rest of the driver.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards,
>>>> >>> Sehrope Sarkuni
>>>> >>> Founder & CEO | JackDB, Inc. | http://www.jackdb.com/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:32 PM, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have no CLASSPATH environment variable. As for the classpath
>>>> that is
>>>> >>> used by Ant, it's my assumption that's handled by Ant and/or Maven.
>>>> What I
>>>> >>> can tell you are these things.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm on Ubuntu Linux, a Debian-based distro, where typically I
>>>> install
>>>> >>> things using the package manager rather than by direct download.
>>>> >>> Therefore, I've both JUnit (3.8.2) and JUnit4 (4.0.0) "installed"
>>>> >>> courtesy of the apt-get package manager. But they're not on any
>>>> CLASSPATH
>>>> >>> and Ant and Maven were unaware of them.
>>>> >>> Within the pgjdbc project, I ran `ant' as instructed. That failed,
>>>> >>> because the build.xml file has a dependency on JUnit 3.8.2.
>>>> >>> Helpfully, the Ant build error included instructions for how to
>>>> satisfy
>>>> >>> the JUnit dependency (see below). I found the JUnit 3.8.2 JAR file
>>>> that
>>>> >>> apt-get had installed on my system and fed that path into the Maven
>>>> command.
>>>> >>> Ran `ant' again. This time, because the JUnit dependency had been
>>>> >>> satisfied, it successfully built the JDBC driver. But because it
>>>> didn't run
>>>> >>> any tests, it didn't trigger any run-time error.
>>>> >>> Ran `ant test' and got the errors that I sent you.
>>>> >>> Noticed that the SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest class (if nothing
>>>> else)
>>>> >>> imports from org.junit, which I understood to be a JUnit4 package
>>>> (but maybe
>>>> >>> I'm wrong).
>>>> >>> I became confused.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The Maven command to install the JUnit jar was:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> mvn install:install-file -DgroupId=junit -DartifactId=junit
>>>> >>> -Dversion=3.8.2 -Dpackaging=jar
>>>> -Dfile=/usr/share/java/junit-3.8.2.jar
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I assure you that the jar file is a bona fide JUnit 3.8.2 jar file.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Dave Cramer <pg(at)fastcrypt(dot)com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Is junit on the classpath ?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Dave Cramer
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> dave.cramer(at)credativ(dot)ca
>>>> >>>> http://www.credativ.ca
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 3 August 2014 20:15, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> You bet. They're in the attached errors.txt file and also pasted
>>>> in
>>>> >>>>> below.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Buildfile: /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/build.xml
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> prepare:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> check_versions:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> check_driver:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> driver:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> compile:
>>>> >>>>> [javac] /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/build.xml:243: warning:
>>>> >>>>> 'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting to
>>>> build.sysclasspath=last; set
>>>> >>>>> to false for repeatable builds
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> artifact-version:
>>>> >>>>> [echo] Artifact version string: postgresql-9.4-1200.jdbc41
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> jar:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> testjar:
>>>> >>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/build/tests
>>>> >>>>> [javac] /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/build.xml:451: warning:
>>>> >>>>> 'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting to
>>>> build.sysclasspath=last; set
>>>> >>>>> to false for repeatable builds
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Compiling 84 source files to
>>>> >>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/build/tests
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:3:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.Assert;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:4:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.Test;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:5:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.Before;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:6:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.BeforeClass;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:7:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit.runners does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.runners.Parameterized;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:8:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit.runners.Parameterized does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.runners.Parameterized.Parameters;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:9:
>>>> >>>>> error: package org.junit.runner does not exist
>>>> >>>>> [javac] import org.junit.runner.RunWith;
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:23:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @RunWith(Parameterized.class)
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class RunWith
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:42:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Parameters
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Parameters
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:181:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:203:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:213:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:223:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:240:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:257:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:274:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:307:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:327:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:351:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] @Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: class Test
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:141:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Assert.assertEquals(1, rs.getInt(1));
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: variable Assert
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:147:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Assert.assertEquals(sslExpected,
>>>> sslActual);
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: variable Assert
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl/SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java:172:
>>>> >>>>> error: cannot find symbol
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Assert.fail("Expected exception " +
>>>> >>>>> expectedThrowable.getName() + " but it did not occur.");
>>>> >>>>> [javac] ^
>>>> >>>>> [javac] symbol: variable Assert
>>>> >>>>> [javac] location: class SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated
>>>> API.
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Note: Some input files use unchecked or unsafe
>>>> operations.
>>>> >>>>> [javac] Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details.
>>>> >>>>> [javac] 22 errors
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> BUILD FAILED
>>>> >>>>> /home/dventimi/work/pgjdbc/build.xml:451: Compile failed; see the
>>>> >>>>> compiler error output for details.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Total time: 12 seconds
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Dave Cramer <pg(at)fastcrypt(dot)com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Pretty sure I use 3.8.2
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Can you provide me with the errors you are getting ?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Dave Cramer
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> dave.cramer(at)credativ(dot)ca
>>>> >>>>>> http://www.credativ.ca
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 3 August 2014 16:53, David Ventimiglia <dventimi(at)gmail(dot)com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> I'm a little confused as to what version of JUnit I'm supposed
>>>> to be
>>>> >>>>>>> using in order to build/test the Postgresql JDBC driver. This
>>>> page says
>>>> >>>>>>> that "JUnit at least 3.7 is needed."
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> http://jdbc.postgresql.org/development/development.html
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> But, there's a big between JUnit 3.8 and earlier and JUnit 4.
>>>> The
>>>> >>>>>>> former has components in packages junit.framework while the
>>>> latter has
>>>> >>>>>>> components in org.junit and so test that directly import on or
>>>> the other of
>>>> >>>>>>> those packages are sensitive to the version of JUnit you're
>>>> using.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> An example of such a test is
>>>> SingleCertValidatingFactoryTest.java in
>>>> >>>>>>> pgjdbc/org/postgresql/test/ssl directory (presumably other
>>>> tests are like
>>>> >>>>>>> this).
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand, the pgjdbc Ant build.xml file specifies JUnit
>>>> >>>>>>> 3.8.2.:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> <artifact:dependencies pathId="dependency.classpath"
>>>> >>>>>>> useScope="test">
>>>> >>>>>>> <dependency groupId="junit" artifactId="junit"
>>>> version="3.8.2"
>>>> >>>>>>> scope="test"/>
>>>> >>>>>>> </artifact:dependencies>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Presumably, this is why running `ant test' in pgjdbc fails for
>>>> me
>>>> >>>>>>> with compilation errors. I confess, I'm not an expert with Ant
>>>> and Maven,
>>>> >>>>>>> so maybe I've done something wrong. But, exactly waht version
>>>> of JUnit
>>>> >>>>>>> should I be using? Thanks!
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Best,
>>>> >>>>>>> David Ventimiglia
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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