Re: RFC: Make new versions of pgjdbc Java8+

On 4 April 2017 at 11:11, Álvaro Hernández Tortosa <aht(at)8kdata(dot)com> wrote:

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> On 03/04/17 22:53, rado(at)edno(dot)moe wrote:
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>> On 2017-04-03 23:02, Dave Cramer wrote:
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>>> On 3 April 2017 at 16:01, Álvaro Hernández Tortosa <aht(at)8kdata(dot)com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> On 03/04/17 21:15, rado(at)edno(dot)moe wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone.
>>>> On 2017-04-03 21:58, Stephen Frost wrote:
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> * Dave Cramer (pg(at)fastcrypt(dot)com) wrote:
>>>> On 3 April 2017 at 14:33, Álvaro Hernández Tortosa
>>>> <aht(at)8kdata(dot)com> wrote:
>>>> Quick eyeball of the latest two versions shows significant download
>>>> of
>>>> jre6, and a scary data of 1208 jre7. I wonder what project is using
>>>> that?
>>>>
>>>> Chef.
>>>>
>>>> All but ~4000 of those hits were by either "Chef Client" or "Chef
>>>> Knife", most of which were, unsurprisingly, just 304's ("not
>>>> modified").
>>>>
>>>
>>> From 100 000 downloads?
>>> This link shows which other POMs are referring to 9.4.1208.jre7:
>>> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.postgresql/postgresql/
>>> 9.4.1208.jre7/usages
>>> [1]
>>> Keep in mind that I don't know how reliable is this data, but Clojure
>>> and Spring Boot are quite popular projects.
>>>
>>> This doesn't seem to happen with current version 42:
>>>
>>> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.postgresql/postgresql/
>>> 42.0.0.jre7/usages
>>> [2] (not used so far)
>>>
>>
>> The big projects that embed jdbc drivers are not so many and probably
>> they are not releasing new versions only because of the dependencies
>> updates. And the 42.0.0 release is quite new.
>>
>> As a side note: Hibernate 5.2 is officially Java8 only:
>> https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/wiki/Migration-Gu
>> ide---5.2#move-to-java-8-for-baseline
>> And they soon will drop support for 5.1 (http://in.relation.to/2017/03
>> /14/hibernate-orm-515-final-release/) when 5.3 is released. They've
>> changed their policy last year and now you get bug fixes only for the
>> current and the previous release.
>> The upcoming version of Spring platform is also Java8:
>> https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework/wiki/
>> What%27s-New-in-the-Spring-Framework#whats-new-in-spring-framework-5x
>> Spring 4.x is Java6, but Spring Boot requires Java7 and recommends Java8:
>> http://docs.spring.io/spring-boot/docs/1.5.2.RELEASE/referen
>> ce/htmlsingle/#getting-started-system-requirements
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>> IMO these two will drive some migration effort to Java8.
>>
>
> Agreed. Very interesting. I think we should also "recommend" our users
> to move forward. I don't see someone willing to upgrade to PostgreSQL 10
> but not willing to update the JRE (it's either both or none, and if it is
> none, they are well served with existing drivers).
>
> So what do we do? I can still develop SCRAM for either version of Java
> (and while I have already expressed my preference, I will do it even for
> Java6, if that's the decision) :) I'm not a committer, so committers:
> please let me know what would be the "official" final decision. Thanks,
>
>
>
Keep going with java 8 for now. Given that the use of MD5 the way we
actually use it is not really an issue, I'm less worried about this than I
originally thought. I do have some feelers out in the enterprise though to
get some feed back

Dave Cramer

davec(at)postgresintl(dot)com
www.postgresintl.com