Re: Using per-transaction memory contexts for storing decoded tuples

On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 9:29 PM Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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> On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 11:27 AM David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 20 Sept 2024 at 17:46, Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
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> > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:13 AM David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> > > > In general, it's a bit annoying to have to code around this
> > > > GenerationContext fragmentation issue.
> > >
> > > Right, and I am also slightly afraid that this may not cause some
> > > regression in other cases where defrag wouldn't help.
> >
> > Yeah, that's certainly a possibility. I was hoping that
> > MemoryContextMemAllocated() being much larger than logical_work_mem
> > could only happen when there is fragmentation, but certainly, you
> > could be wasting effort trying to defrag transactions where the
> > changes all arrive in WAL consecutively and there is no
> > defragmentation. It might be some other large transaction that's
> > causing the context's allocations to be fragmented. I don't have any
> > good ideas on how to avoid wasting effort on non-problematic
> > transactions. Maybe there's something that could be done if we knew
> > the LSN of the first and last change and the gap between the LSNs was
> > much larger than the WAL space used for this transaction. That would
> > likely require tracking way more stuff than we do now, however.
> >
>
> With more information tracking, we could avoid some non-problematic
> transactions but still, it would be difficult to predict that we
> didn't harm many cases because to make the memory non-contiguous, we
> only need a few interleaving small transactions. We can try to think
> of ideas for implementing defragmentation in our code if we first can
> prove that smaller block sizes cause problems.
>
> > With the smaller blocks idea, I'm a bit concerned that using smaller
> > blocks could cause regressions on systems that are better at releasing
> > memory back to the OS after free() as no doubt malloc() would often be
> > slower on those systems. There have been some complaints recently
> > about glibc being a bit too happy to keep hold of memory after free()
> > and I wondered if that was the reason why the small block test does
> > not cause much of a performance regression. I wonder how the small
> > block test would look on Mac, FreeBSD or Windows. I think it would be
> > risky to assume that all is well with reducing the block size after
> > testing on a single platform.
> >
>
> Good point. We need extensive testing on different platforms, as you
> suggest, to verify if smaller block sizes caused any regressions.

+1. I'll do the same test on my Mac as well.

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