Re: New archives for testing

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, December 30, 2012, Tom Lane wrote:
>>>
>>> Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> writes:
>>> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org> wrote:
>>> >> The prompt isn't shown on all browsers, so we should stick it on the
>>> >> website somewhere too.
>>>
>>> > Ugh, that's annoying.
>>>
>>> > Do you think we can get away without putting it next to every single
>>> > link? Because I'm not sure how we can do that without making it look
>>> > like crap. But if we don't, are people likely to ever read it?
>>>
>>> How big a problem is this? When I checked, both Safari and Firefox
>>> showed the prompt. If there are just a few little-used browsers that
>>> fail to show it, I'm not convinced that we have to clutter the pages
>>> for everybody to cater to them. I can think of more than a few other
>>> sites where that prompt is pretty damn essential for usability, so
>>> I would argue that a browser that doesn't show it is broken anyhow.
>>
>>
>> I don't think it was originally intended as a prompt (it's the security
>> realm actually), but most browsers showed it anyway and it's been (ab)used
>> that way for years. FYI, the browser I saw not displaying it was Safari on
>> iOS, so most definitely not 'little used'.
>
> No, but not showing it makes it a pretty useless browser since it's
> supposed to tell the user which password to use when different
> sections on a site has different passwords.
>
> That said, it doesn't matter how stupid or useless it is, if it's
> reality :) We just have to deal with it. I'm not too worried about
> iphone users - i doubt either the raw or the mbox view is very
> interesting to them. Same for mbox users on iPad - however, I can
> certainly see iPad users who want to get the raw view.
>
> Right now, mobile is about 1.2% of our visitors to the archives.
> Safari on ios 0.5%. iPhone is just over 0.3% and iPad just over 0.3%.
>
> So it's a very small portion of our visitors. While the total numbers
> are likely going up, I'm not sure those who actually want the raw
> and/or mbox files are going to go up.
>
> FWIW, it works fine in Chrome (46%), Firefox (36%) and Safari-desktop
> (3%). Unverified at this point are IE (11%) and Opera(2%), the rest
> are really far down the list.
>
> So the question is how much effort we want to put into it. If we make
> the 401 page itself contain the text, does that show up in safari
> after authentication has failed, or does it show some custom page?

ads just confirmed it works on IE as well.

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