Re: We are getting old

Sorry, "The Design of POSTGRES" was in June '86. It seems likely that
POSTGRES was conceptually born in spring of '86 because Stonebraker was
still busy publishing a bunch of INGRES papers until January of that year.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 12:17 AM Peter van Hardenberg <pvh(at)pvh(dot)ca> wrote:

> Oh, hello! You could date from the first POSTGRES paper by Stonebraker
> (85), or from Jolly Chen & Andrew Yu's Postgres95 releases (95ish) but I
> think the best time to date from would be when Marc volunteered to set up
> the Postgres CVS repo in April of '96. You could also date from Marc's
> tragically concluding there was consensus around PostgreSQL in October of
> the same year.
>
> I collected a bunch of this stuff for a Postgres history talk a while
> back. Not sure if there is a video but slides are archived here:
>
> https://www.postgresql.eu/events/pgconfeu2017/sessions/session/1621/slides/49/PGCONF.EUAnIllustratedHistoryofPostgreSQL.pdf
>
> -p
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:55 PM Ian Lawrence Barwick <barwick(at)gmail(dot)com>
> wrote:
>
>> 2021年3月8日(月) 15:42 Justin Clift <justin(at)postgresql(dot)org>:
>> >
>> > On 2021-03-08 10:32, Tom Lane wrote:
>> > > "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz(at)postgresql(dot)org> writes:
>> > >> On 3/7/21 9:17 AM, Vik Fearing wrote:
>> > >>> I wouldn't be against just saying "the 80's", perhaps with some
>> > >>> superfluous neon
>> > >
>> > >> Technically, the above falls in the purview of -docs as it's in the
>> > >> docs
>> > >> themselves, though we do link to it from pgweb.
>> > >> To compare, -www[1] says "over 30 years of active development" so we
>> > >> could certainly increment the decade count.
>> > >> I'd also be completely for lifting the first two sentences from [1]
>> > >> and
>> > >> placing them in the documentation.
>> > >
>> > > +1 for removing the year count in both places, as we'll just forget to
>> > > maintain it.
>> > >
>> > > I think referring to "the 1980s" would be fine, but if we can pin it
>> > > down more that'd be even better. I see the www page specifies "1986";
>> > > do we have evidence favoring that particular year as the start?
>> >
>> > The Wikipedia article for PostgreSQL seems to say 1985:
>> >
>> > PostgreSQL evolved from the Ingres project at the University of
>> > California,
>> > Berkeley. In 1982, the leader of the Ingres team, Michael
>> Stonebraker,
>> > left Berkeley to make a proprietary version of Ingres.[13]
>> >
>> > He returned to Berkeley in 1985, and began a post-Ingres project to
>> > address
>> > the problems with contemporary database systems that had become
>> > increasingly clear during the early 1980s.
>> >
>> > Wikipedia being not-100%-reliable, this is the article it pulls that
>> > year
>> > from:
>> >
>> > https://amturing.acm.org/award_winners/stonebraker_1172121.cfm
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, the only mention of "1985" in that document seems to be:
>> >
>> > Stonebraker led development of INGRES at Berkeley until 1985,
>> > supported
>> > by grant money and the labor of graduate and undergraduate students.
>> >
>> > With further reference to PG later on in the document, but without
>> > really
>> > seeming to put a clear date to things. :/
>> >
>> > Hmmm, don't suppose we can do this the easy way the just look at the
>> > earliest
>> > commit date we have? :)
>>
>> The earliest commit date is July 1996:
>>
>>
>> https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git;a=commit;h=d31084e9d1118b25fd16580d9d8c2924b5740dff
>>
>> Some spelunking here might provide some further clues, maybe there are
>> some
>> release notes or something squirreled away:
>>
>> https://dsf.berkeley.edu/oldpost/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ian Barwick
>>
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>>
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