Re: Horizontal scalability/sharding

From: Ozgun Erdogan <ozgun(at)citusdata(dot)com>
To: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Mason S <masonlists(at)gmail(dot)com>, Oleg Bartunov <obartunov(at)gmail(dot)com>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Horizontal scalability/sharding
Date: 2015-09-04 22:52:49
Message-ID: CAAxz3XsKbG_idD_VcF_6bO9=QDJFMMazbF6GnFdyO2OnqzuZBA@mail.gmail.com
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Hey Robert,

Now the question is, where should the code that does all of this live?
> postgres_fdw? Some new, sharding-specific FDW? In core? I don't
> know for sure, but what I do know is that we could make a lot of
> progress over where we are today by just improving postgres_fdw, and I
> don't think those improvements are even all that difficult. If we
> decide we need to implement something new, it's going to be a huge
> project that will take years to complete, with uncertain results. I'd
> rather have a postgres_fdw-based implementation that is imperfect and
> can't handle some kinds of queries in 9.6 than a promise that by 9.9
> we'll have something really great that handles MPP perfectly.
>

Distributed shuffles (Map/Reduce) are hard. When we looked at using FDWs
for pg_shard, we thought that Map/Reduce would require a comprehensive
revamp of the APIs.

For Citus, a second part of the question is as FDW writers. We implemented
cstore_fdw, json_fdw, and mongo_fdw, and these wrappers don't benefit from
even the simple join pushdown that doesn't require Map/Reduce.

The PostgreSQL wiki lists 85 foreign data wrappers, and only 18 of these
have support for joins:
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Foreign_data_wrappers

Best,
Ozgun

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