From: | James Coleman <jtc331(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> |
Cc: | David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Binary search in ScalarArrayOpExpr for OR'd constant arrays |
Date: | 2020-04-27 03:12:40 |
Message-ID: | CAAaqYe8QPMCp0s3pUFm0oORTNxkXRZvZP+_bgohy69JXW7qGzA@mail.gmail.com |
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:41 PM James Coleman <jtc331(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:49 PM Tomas Vondra
> <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 02:46:19PM -0400, James Coleman wrote:
> > >On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:31 PM Tomas Vondra
> > ><tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 06:47:41PM -0400, James Coleman wrote:
> > >> >On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 5:41 PM David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 00:40, Tomas Vondra <
tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
> > >> >> > This reminds me our attempts to add bloom filters to hash
joins, which I
> > >> >> > think ran into mostly the same challenge of deciding when the
bloom
> > >> >> > filter can be useful and is worth the extra work.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Speaking of that, it would be interesting to see how a test where
you
> > >> >> write the query as IN(VALUES(...)) instead of IN() compares. It
would
> > >> >> be interesting to know if the planner is able to make a more
suitable
> > >> >> choice and also to see how all the work over the years to improve
Hash
> > >> >> Joins compares to the bsearch with and without the bloom filter.
> > >> >
> > >> >It would be interesting.
> > >> >
> > >> >It also makes one wonder about optimizing these into to hash
> > >> >joins...which I'd thought about over at [1]. I think it'd be a very
> > >> >significant effort though.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I modified the script to also do the join version of the query. I can
> > >> only run it on my laptop at the moment, so the results may be a bit
> > >> different from those I shared before, but it's interesting I think.
> > >>
> > >> In most cases it's comparable to the binsearch/bloom approach, and in
> > >> some cases it actually beats them quite significantly. It seems to
> > >> depend on how expensive the comparison is - for "int" the comparison
is
> > >> very cheap and there's almost no difference. For "text" the
comparison
> > >> is much more expensive, and there are significant speedups.
> > >>
> > >> For example the test with 100k lookups in array of 10k elements and
10%
> > >> match probability, the timings are these
> > >>
> > >> master: 62362 ms
> > >> binsearch: 201 ms
> > >> bloom: 65 ms
> > >> hashjoin: 36 ms
> > >>
> > >> I do think the explanation is fairly simple - the bloom filter
> > >> eliminates about 90% of the expensive comparisons, so it's 20ms plus
> > >> some overhead to build and check the bits. The hash join probably
> > >> eliminates a lot of the remaining comparisons, because the hash table
> > >> is sized to have one tuple per bucket.
> > >>
> > >> Note: I also don't claim the PoC has the most efficient bloom filter
> > >> implementation possible. I'm sure it could be made faster.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I'm not sure transforming this to a hash join is worth the
> > >> effort - I agree that seems quite complex. But perhaps this suggest
we
> > >> should not be doing binary search and instead just build a simple
hash
> > >> table - that seems much simpler, and it'll probably give us about the
> > >> same benefits.
> > >
> > >That's actually what I originally thought about doing, but I chose
> > >binary search since it seemed a lot easier to get off the ground.
> > >
> >
> > OK, that makes perfect sense.
> >
> > >If we instead build a hash is there anything else we need to be
> > >concerned about? For example, work mem? I suppose for the binary
> > >search we already have to expand the array, so perhaps it's not all
> > >that meaningful relative to that...
> > >
> >
> > I don't think we need to be particularly concerned about work_mem. We
> > don't care about it now, and it's not clear to me what we could do about
> > it - we already have the array in memory anyway, so it's a bit futile.
> > Furthermore, if we need to care about it, it probably applies to the
> > binary search too.
> >
> > >I was looking earlier at what our standard hash implementation was,
> > >and it seemed less obvious what was needed to set that up (so binary
> > >search seemed a faster proof of concept). If you happen to have any
> > >pointers to similar usages I should look at, please let me know.
> > >
> >
> > I think the hash join implementation is far too complicated. It has to
> > care about work_mem, so it implements batching, etc. That's a lot of
> > complexity we don't need here. IMO we could use either the usual
> > dynahash, or maybe even the simpler simplehash.
> >
> > FWIW it'd be good to verify the numbers I shared, i.e. checking that the
> > benchmarks makes sense and running it independently. I'm not aware of
> > any issues but it was done late at night and only ran on my laptop.
>
> Some quick calculations (don't have the scripting in a form I can
> attach yet; using this as an opportunity to hack on a genericized
> performance testing framework of sorts) suggest your results are
> correct. I was also testing on my laptop, but I showed 1.) roughly
> equivalent results for IN (VALUES ...) and IN (<list>) for integers,
> but when I switch to (short; average 3 characters long) text values I
> show the hash join on VALUES is twice as fast as the binary search.
>
> Given that, I'm planning to implement this as a hash lookup and share
> a revised patch.
While working on this I noticed that dynahash.c line 499 has this assertion:
Assert(info->entrysize >= info->keysize);
Do you by any chance know why the entry would need to be larger than the
key? In this case I'm really treating the hash like a set (if there's a
hash set implementation that doesn't store a value, then I'd be happy to
use that instead) so I've configured the entry as sizeof(bool) which is
obviously smaller than the key.
If it helps, that line was added by Tom in fba2a104c6d.
Thanks,
James
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