From: | Daniel Farina <daniel(at)heroku(dot)com> |
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To: | Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> |
Cc: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Ants Aasma <ants(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas(at)vmware(dot)com>, Jeff Davis <pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Enabling Checksums |
Date: | 2013-03-19 00:36:21 |
Message-ID: | CAAZKuFazZx_4aYM_fs7wh=g7ss8MmghdogJCyRry=eVUvzjTyQ@mail.gmail.com |
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On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
> On 3/18/13 10:52 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>
>> With a potential 10-20% overhead, I am unclear who would enable this at
>> initdb time.
>
>
> If you survey people who are running PostgreSQL on "cloud" hardware, be it
> Amazon's EC2 or similar options from other vendors, you will find a high
> percentage of them would pay quite a bit of performance to make their
> storage more reliable. To pick one common measurement for popularity, a
> Google search on "ebs corruption" returns 17 million hits. To quote one of
> those, Baron Schwartz of Percona talking about MySQL on EC2:>
> "BTW, I have seen data corruption on EBS volumes. It’s not clear whether it
> was InnoDB’s fault (extremely unlikely IMO), the operating system’s fault,
> EBS’s fault, or something else."
Clarification, because I think this assessment as delivered feeds some
unnecessary FUD about EBS:
EBS is quite reliable. Presuming that all noticed corruptions are
strictly EBS's problem (that's quite a stretch), I'd say the defect
rate falls somewhere in the range of volume-centuries.
I want to point this out because I think EBS gets an outsized amount
of public flogging, and not all of it is deserved.
My assessment of the caustion at hand: I care about this feature not
because EBS sucks more than anything else by a large degree, but
because there's an ever mounting number of EBS volumes whose defects
are under the responsibility of comparatively few individuals.
--
fdr
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