From: | Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Kyotaro Horiguchi <horikyota(dot)ntt(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | k(dot)jamison(at)fujitsu(dot)com, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: [Patch] Optimize dropping of relation buffers using dlist |
Date: | 2020-09-16 03:03:06 |
Message-ID: | CAA4eK1+cCjxPOMKhMPHwViHsfZLNkqs-JBR7JDdpTyytCrBH4w@mail.gmail.com |
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:46 AM Kyotaro Horiguchi
<horikyota(dot)ntt(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> At Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:18:06 +0530, Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in
> > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 7:01 AM Kyotaro Horiguchi
> > <horikyota(dot)ntt(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> > > Isn't a relation always locked asscess-exclusively, at truncation
> > > time? If so, isn't even the result of lseek reliable enough?
> > >
> >
> > Even if the relation is locked, background processes like checkpointer
> > can still touch the relation which might cause problems. Consider a
> > case where we extend the relation but didn't flush the newly added
> > pages. Now during truncate operation, checkpointer can still flush
> > those pages which can cause trouble for truncate. But, I think in the
> > recovery path such cases won't cause a problem.
>
> I reconsided on this and still have a doubt.
>
> Is this means lseek(SEEK_END) doesn't count blocks that are
> write(2)'ed (by smgrextend) but not yet flushed? (I don't think so,
> for clarity.) The nblocks cache is added just to reduce the number of
> lseek()s and expected to always have the same value with what lseek()
> is expected to return.
>
See comments in ReadBuffer_common() which indicates such a possibility
("Unfortunately, we have also seen this case occurring because of
buggy Linux kernels that sometimes return an lseek(SEEK_END) result
that doesn't account for a recent write."). Also, refer my previous
email [1] on this and another email link in that email which has a
discussion on this point.
> The reason it is reliable only during recovery
> is that the cache is not shared but the startup process is the only
> process that changes the relation size during recovery.
>
Yes, that is why we are planning to do this optimization for recovery path.
> If any other process can extend the relation while smgrtruncate is
> running, the current DropRelFileNodeBuffers should have the chance
> that a new buffer for extended area is allocated at a buffer location
> where the function already have passed by, which is a disaster.
>
The relation might have extended before smgrtruncate but the newly
added pages can be flushed by checkpointer during smgrtruncate.
--
With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
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