Re: FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

Dear David, Nicklas,

I think that this is not the right place where to discuss about this topic,
but I have to try to give you an answer.

PostgreSQL is not only open source, like MySQL is, but also free. This means
that people who don't develop neither a line of code of PostgreSQL (or just
some few lines of it) can use it to do what they want, even money, without
having the obligation to provide back 1 cent to the PostgreSQL community.
That's incredible I know, but it is so. And why? I don't know exactly, but I
know that there are several reasons that are not very "transparent". I can
try to give my interpretation hopping that it is the real one or in any case
thinking that it should be the correct one. If people who develop PostgreSQL
make it free, people who don't develop PostgreSQL but who use it for their
research projects or business can make available the results of their
projects also to the developers of PostgreSQL, but overall to the worldwide
community. And so, in case for example a developer of PostgreSQL or any
other person should have a health problem, he can hope that his hospital
uses the results of a research project got also with the help of PostgreSQL
or of some other free technology.

I think the previous one is the philosophy that should be behind the words
"open source" and "free". In all the other cases there are in my opinion
interests that should be better clarified.

If we do something for free for other people, then they can do something for
other people using for free our results, and so on...the alternatives are
under our eyes, that is the jungle of the market and the worldwide crisis.
So David, don't worry for my activity of research, instead you should be
seriously preoccupied if you do business. Moreover, the fact that my project
ended could be in case an additional problem for both of us and not only if
we should have problems of health strictly inherent to the results of
research coming from a possible development of my old project. Obviously, I
hope no for all of us. :-)

David, Nicklas, if you make money by using PostgreSQL and you want to be
really honest (as you claim honesty from me and from my work activity),
please count that money and give the right percentage of it to the
PostgreSQL community, but considering also who spent more time, resources
like electric power, computer hardware, etc. than the others in developing
it. In this way if you develop PostgreSQL, then you too can get your right
percentage from you and from the other developers.

Dear Scott, Niklas, you are right, the components and the resources
necessary to manufacture the solutions developed within the arduino project
are not for free. Only the schematics, the gerbers, etc. are for free.

Finally, the world is full of companies that make available for free their
hardware/software/human resources. Probably also you use them every day for
free (e.g., the media in general) or you store your data for free in part of
those resources (facebook, youtube, just to do general examples), but those
resources are not really "for free", those companies find the way to gain a
lot of money with the fact that you access to their resources.

In any case, excuse me if I have hurted your's feelings. My intention was
not to ask for a free hosting platform (free stuff, etc.) to the PostgreSQL
community, but I simply asked if the community knows anybody who provides a
service of free hosting, supposing that in some way the provider of that
hosting service would have earned his right income from me in some way (e.g.
a banner installed on my PC or other similar business). Fortunately up to
now I have never asked for charity dear David and I hope to have not to do
it in the future.

Have a good dinner!

Fernando

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:35 PM, David Johnston <polobo(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

> Since this thread is already top-post...
>
> One of the reasons software can be "free" is because people are able to
> make money doing things like hosting and consulting.
>
> If you are looking for charity because you are poor, or what you want to do
> has little commercial value, you would be wise to propose what it is you
> want to actually accomplish and the specific resources you likely need.
> Showing effort on your part will project professionalism as opposed to the
> free-loader personality that you show when you simply ask for free stuff.
> Simply pointing out that you need to eat as the reason why you need free
> hosting makes you look foolish. The fact that you cross-posted projects
> disrespect for the very communities providing the "free" stuff you want to
> use.
>
> I'm sorry your research GRANT expired but you should focus on either
> obtaining a new grant or how to earn a regular income. If you are starting
> your own business the reality is that you need funds as opposed to free
> hosting. Funds will get you both physical (hosting) services and access to
> expertise.
>
> That is all the personal/professional advice I'm am willing to give right
> now; I need to go fix myself lunch.
>
> David J.
>
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> On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:49, Fernando Pianegiani <
> fernando(dot)pianegiani(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
> Thak you Antonio.
>
> After open source for the software, we will wait for open resource for the
> hardware (this is just a first example <http://www.arduino.cc/>
> http://www.arduino.cc/, even if of different nature).
>
> I need to eat too, for this reason I cannot pay for an hosting platform
> after that my funded research project ended.
>
> Fernando
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Antonio Goméz Soto <<antonio(dot)gomez(dot)soto(at)gmail(dot)com>
> antonio(dot)gomez(dot)soto(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> Well,
>>
>> I am from the hosting business, and can assure you, what you are looking
>> for does not exist.
>> This configuration requires specialists on the provider side, which are
>> expensive. They
>> need to eat too.
>>
>> And history teaches, that even if it would exist, you should not put
>> anything meaningful on it,
>> because they surely will go out of business soon.
>>
>> Antonio.
>>
>>
>> Op 06-08-11 10:02, Fernando Pianegiani schreef:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> do you know any FREE hosting platforms where PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat
>>> (or other web servers) can be already found installed or where they can be
>>> installed from scratch? In possible, it would be better if the PostgreSQL be
>>> directly accessible by my
>>> servlet, without any web service/PHP script in the middle.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much in advance.
>>>
>>> Kind regards.
>>>
>>> Fernando Pianegiani
>>>
>>
>>