Re: Table AM Interface Enhancements

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Alexander Korotkov <aekorotkov(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Pavel Borisov <pashkin(dot)elfe(at)gmail(dot)com>, Japin Li <japinli(at)hotmail(dot)com>, Mark Dilger <mark(dot)dilger(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi>, Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com>, Nazir Bilal Yavuz <byavuz81(at)gmail(dot)com>
Subject: Re: Table AM Interface Enhancements
Date: 2024-04-15 15:36:21
Message-ID: CA+Tgmoba34zzq1uv9dNqFos5FT9xmA4VmfWsMPPnioyjTF9QBw@mail.gmail.com
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On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 5:28 AM Alexander Korotkov <aekorotkov(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> Yes, I think so. Table AM API deals with TIDs and block numbers, but
> doesn't force on what they actually mean. For example, in ZedStore
> [1], data is stored on per-column B-trees, where TID used in table AM
> is just a logical key of that B-trees. Similarly, blockNumber is a
> range for B-trees.
>
> c6fc50cb4028 and 041b96802ef are putting to acquire_sample_rows() an
> assumption that we are sampling physical blocks as they are stored in
> data files. That couldn't anymore be some "logical" block numbers
> with meaning only table AM implementation knows. That was pointed out
> by Andres [2]. I'm not sure if ZedStore is alive, but there could be
> other table AM implementations like this, or other implementations in
> development, etc. Anyway, I don't feel good about narrowing the API,
> which is there from pg12.

I spent some time looking at this. I think it's valid to complain
about the tighter coupling, but c6fc50cb4028 is there starting in v14,
so I don't think I understand why the situation after 041b96802ef is
materially worse than what we've had for the last few releases. I
think it is worse in the sense that, before, you could dodge the
problem without defining USE_PREFETCH, and now you can't, but I don't
think we can regard nonphysical block numbers as a supported scenario
on that basis.

But maybe I'm not correctly understanding the situation?

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Robert Haas
EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com

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