From: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Claudio Freire <klaussfreire(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | James Bottomley <James(dot)Bottomley(at)hansenpartnership(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Trond Myklebust <trondmy(at)gmail(dot)com>, Kevin Grittner <kgrittn(at)ymail(dot)com>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Dave Chinner <david(at)fromorbit(dot)com>, Joshua Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman(at)suse(dot)de>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, "lsf-pc(at)lists(dot)linux-foundation(dot)org" <lsf-pc(at)lists(dot)linux-foundation(dot)org>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> |
Subject: | Re: [Lsf-pc] Linux kernel impact on PostgreSQL performance |
Date: | 2014-01-14 17:17:57 |
Message-ID: | CA+Tgmoa1iYyLkZqU3a8_XdzGLuPAbKKmA+58St11pS+bYjbxWA@mail.gmail.com |
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Claudio Freire <klaussfreire(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> In terms of avoiding double-buffering, here's my thought after reading
>> what's been written so far. Suppose we read a page into our buffer
>> pool. Until the page is clean, it would be ideal for the mapping to
>> be shared between the buffer cache and our pool, sort of like
>> copy-on-write. That way, if we decide to evict the page, it will
>> still be in the OS cache if we end up needing it again (remember, the
>> OS cache is typically much larger than our buffer pool). But if the
>> page is dirtied, then instead of copying it, just have the buffer pool
>> forget about it, because at that point we know we're going to write
>> the page back out anyway before evicting it.
>>
>> This would be pretty similar to copy-on-write, except without the
>> copying. It would just be forget-from-the-buffer-pool-on-write.
>
> But... either copy-on-write or forget-on-write needs a page fault, and
> thus a page mapping.
>
> Is a page fault more expensive than copying 8k?
I don't know either. I wasn't thinking so much that it would save CPU
time as that it would save memory. Consider a system with 32GB of
RAM. If you set shared_buffers=8GB, then in the worst case you've got
25% of your RAM wasted storing pages that already exist, dirtied, in
shared_buffers. It's easy to imagine scenarios in which that results
in lots of extra I/O, so that the CPU required to do the accounting
comes to seem cheap by comparison.
--
Robert Haas
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
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